The Ebola outbreak

No, not the one in Africa, although terrible, it's not the one that's got me in a ranting mood. I'm talking about the outbreak here with the hysteria from many members.

Seriously, get a grip!

In the countries affected, proper medical aide is virtually non existent, many communities are using traditional practises to treat the sick and in fact are just making it spread faster.

With all that, the mortality rate is less than 60%

Don't get me wrong, ebola isn't something to be scoffed at, but it's a 3rd world virus, 1st world countries have the infrastructure and resources to control and contain such a virus.

So please, stop fear mongering, stop trying to make it about yourselves by carrying on how it's going to kill everyone in America, or how it means the beginning of martial law.

Perhaps a bit of history on quarantine is in order here?

This link is a good read

afludiary.blogspot.com.au...

Because I'm not going with the vocal majority on ATS by overreacting and carrying on like the sky is falling, this will fall on deaf ears, but I had to get it off my chest.

So flame away fear mongerers!

While Ebola is a serious matter, I Agree with you.
-Let's keep the un-founded ebola-doom threads on "That other site that we name not"

S&F

a reply to: AlphaHawk

Here ya go!

a reply to: beezzer

Classic.

That guy has an answer for everything.

AlphaHawk, a bit harsh, it's apparent humans especially the one's here on ATS(well some of them) have a pretty good intuition in regards to the possibility of the concept, "this could mean that" a very important survival instinct.

Our subconscious knows predators can camouflage their intentions, distract you with this while they are doing that.

Ebola is a known fear triggering thought, like great white sharks. alien abductions and over cooked broccoli, used by Governments to distract us while they trigger some other attempt to curb the masses to see the truth.

Alrighty then.

Thanks for the reassuring remarks.

After all it can never, ever, ever hapoen here. Were invincible. (sarcasm)

Mutations anyone?

I bought another 20 or so canned goods earlier. Nothing special, the two for a dollar peas and beans. Picking up another box of buckshot tomorrow.

Fear mongered, nah, just concerned.

I'm not so confident in your confidence.

a reply to: liejunkie01

I never said we were invincible, nor did I say it could never happen, thanks for popping in with a predictable strawman argument.

Didn't see that one coming!

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: liejunkie01

I never said we were invincible, nor did I say it could never happen, thanks for popping in with a predictable strawman argument.

Didn't see that one coming!

My bad I must have misunderstood you when you said this.

Don't get me wrong, ebola isn't something to be scoffed at, but it's a 3rd world virus, 1st world countries have the infrastructure and resources to control and contain such a virus.

You do seem pretty confident, do you not?

Why so hasty?

Relax a little.

a reply to: liejunkie01

Most certainly you did misunderstand me.

And yes, I have reasonable faith in modern hygiene and quarantine practices.

Well it would seem that this ebola scare probably is hiding things like the failed attempts to get into Ukraine or whatever the elite is trying to do right now, a concept I can easily agree with but I will point out something with your original statement. A 60% mortality rate on a disease that the CDC claims can have as high as a 90% death rate (which we obviously aren't seeing right now) probably would have a higher survival rate if it hit first world nations, but the question would be by how much. Even if it was diminished to five percent that would mean 15 million Americans and that would still be a large deal to people. This would make any version of ensuring canned goods to defense from civil unrest a wise move. I'm not saying panic, just prepare.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: liejunkie01

Most certainly you did misunderstand me.

And yes, I have reasonable faith in modern hygiene and quarantine practices.

Hope you don't get nightmares reading this then AlphaHawk...


Volume 5, Number 5—October 1999

Synopsis

Food-Related Illness and Death in the United States
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Data Sources The Study Food-Related Illness and Death from Unknown Pathogens Overall Food-Related Illness and Death Conclusions Appendix Suggested Citation
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Paul S. MeadComments to Author , Laurence Slutsker, Vance Dietz, Linda F. McCaig, Joseph S. Bresee, Craig Shapiro, Patricia M. Griffin, and Robert V. Tauxe
Author affiliations: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia, USA

"To better quantify the impact of foodborne diseases on health in the United States, we compiled and analyzed information from multiple surveillance systems and other sources. We estimate that foodborne diseases cause approximately 76 million illnesses, 325,000 hospitalizations, and 5,000 deaths in the United States each year. Known pathogens account for an estimated 14 million illnesses, 60,000 hospitalizations, and 1,800 deaths. Three pathogens, Salmonella, Listeria, and Toxoplasma, are responsible for 1,500 deaths each year, more than 75% of those caused by known pathogens, while unknown agents account for the remaining 62 million illnesses, 265,000 hospitalizations, and 3,200 deaths. Overall, foodborne diseases appear to cause more illnesses but fewer deaths than previously estimated."

All occuring in a country as modern as America where the poor who cant afford adequate healthcare get to infect the wealthy so they can pay to get well and keep the economy going and politicians donations nice and fat, that is until they contract something that cannot be overcome with modern hygiene and quarantine practices.

Voldemort has a website? LOL.
I agree and I've been on those other threads where they have the virus mutating and easily infecting the general population. To endorsing the existence of FEMA camps. It's a regular nut house . I've been called pompas for pointing out its slow to mutate ( I'm advocating it's killing of thousands of innocent Americans apparently. ) I was spewing froth while reporting information from Sanjay Gupta of CNN when he interviewed a doctor from the CDC. Basically every measure to waylay fears was met with scorn. If you don't jump on the doom porn bandwagon you're a troll.
a reply to: canucks555

Well the good doctor is safely tucked in bed at Emory university hospital and he didn't come in contact with anyone but his doctors so far.
Time will tell. This will all play out and if we the people who have confidence in our medical specialists to keep this under control are proven wrong the conspiracy theorists will have new membership. Funny though if it plays out like I think it will the fear mongers won't be here to say oops we were wrong. They will be too busy looking for the next event to spread fear and panic over. a reply to: liejunkie01

We've had instances of food bourn illness and we track down the source and close up shop until the problem is solved. Those are the same people who would handle this. So far they haven't reduced the population with salmonella or e coli. So far every instance has been dealt with quickly and professionally. . a reply to: subtopia

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
We've had instances of food bourn illness and we track down the source and close up shop until the problem is solved. Those are the same people who would handle this. So far they haven't reduced the population with salmonella or e coli. So far every instance has been dealt with quickly and professionally. . a reply to: subtopia

You sound very confident, good for you do you have your own BSL-4 suit stashed at home? Now I hope someone in the lab doesn't start mixing The Bolivian and Argentine hemorrhagic fevers with a dash of new strain Ebola, 'just to see what happens".

I agree AlphaHawk, the press loves sensationalising these things. Remember mad cow disease? Could have affected millions they were saying, bullcrap. Remember swine flu? The public were near wearing masks in public even here in the U.K, more bullcrap, the scale was very, very minor. This ebola virus is just another distraction, I'm not falling for their fear mongering.

First of all, all those who are overly concerned are not trying to be fearmongering.
I'm tired of my answers causing accusations I agree to shooting a plane down , or I quoted a source and chopped parts out, etc

I am" overly concerned".
I have every right to be.
If you aren't that worried, good for you.

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
Well the good doctor is safely tucked in bed at Emory university hospital and he didn't come in contact with anyone but his doctors so far.
Time will tell. This will all play out and if we the people who have confidence in our medical specialists to keep this under control are proven wrong the conspiracy theorists will have new membership. Funny though if it plays out like I think it will the fear mongers won't be here to say oops we were wrong. They will be too busy looking for the next event to spread fear and panic over. a reply to: liejunkie01

And what if it doesn't play out how you predict? Will you say you were wrong?
It's a guessing game. I don't like guessing games. I don't like risks.

Better to err on the side of caution.