Alabama Congressman Mo Brooks: All 500,000 DREAMers, '8 Million' Undocumented Immigrants Should Be

We need to cultivate a one-world, democratic government, with a borderless society at some point in human history. I know all you nationalists aren't ready for it and you conspiracy theorists believe it will lead towards slavery, but the democratization of the world and its resources is really the only way to lead the average individual out of subsistence and bondage.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: switchqm8

I don't think Mo thought this out to well. How many Americans will skin chickens, clean motel rooms, pick vegatables/fruit, wash dishes, or do other distasteful service jobs for less than minimum wage?



www.numbersusa.org...

Your own supporting link seems to show very high majorities of Native Born people working in those industries, ie AMERICANS do and WILL work in those sectors. I think you would find U.S. citizens to fill all of those jobs. In the construction field alone, I know of many skilled trades people who have basically been put out of a job by Illegal Aliens taking FAR less in pay for the job they used to perform.

What we really need is VERY high enforcement of labor rules. If a Contractor were to get a massive fine for having Illegals in his employ, he wouldn't be tempted to try an save on labor with an Illegal Alien workforce.

You make it too expensive for businesses to hire Illegals, then the whole Illegal immigration problem solves itself. We have all become accustomed to people working for below scale wage since 2008 that wages for many fields are still below their 2008 pay rates. Illegal Aliens in the workforce only make that trend worse.

No Jobs for Illegal Aliens, no benefits to Illegal Aliens they don't continue to cross the border. Hell, I bet we give better benefits to Illegal Aliens than what they would receive from their homeland Governments, no wonder they come to the land of Milk and Honey. We make it so tempting to them.

originally posted by: Nechash
We need to cultivate a one-world, democratic government, with a borderless society at some point in human history. I know all you nationalists aren't ready for it and you conspiracy theorists believe it will lead towards slavery, but the democratization of the world and its resources is really the only way to lead the average individual out of subsistence and bondage.

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Hey Nechash,

Can I have your resources right now? Give me part of your salary, benefits, assets, retirement funds.

I mean, you HAVE them. I want them too. It's only fair that you share them.

Help free me from BONDAGE (the non fun type). I'll give you my Pay Pal account to funnel "my share" to.

Right?


Thought so.

@pavil

This planet and everything on it was created for the enjoyment of the creatures upon it. It was a bestowal from a third party unto you. Nothing you have, not even the energy within the particles of the atoms in the cells that make up your own body originated from you.

The resources of this planet and its immediate solar system belong to the creatures of this planet, and anyone or anything which seizes up a chunk of this world to claim dominion over it is a petty tyrant which must be put down.

Only through economic mutualism can humanity properly govern the resources of its stewardship in a way that is responsible for the people and beings that inhabit this location.

You are responding to me in desperation because you live on a world where all of your needs must be met through squabbling and competition. This is not the destiny of the human creature. You have within yourself the powers of creation and the talents that can lead you towards better prosperity. If we all cooperated with one another, sharing resources and directing them to the productive efforts which can promise the best overall future for our people instead of allowing monied capitalists to dictate the outcome of our economic endeavors, we would live in a more optimal world.

There is zero reason that any person should spend their life pursuing trivial materialism when robotics and automation can liberate the average worker from a life of menial labors. If the capitalist cared for his worker as much as he cares for himself, the salaries and duties of the average worker would be prosperous and fulfilling. Unfortunately, the capitalist sees his worker as merely another resource to be exploited to earn him ever increasing ROI, and in many ways, the capitalist treats the peasantry with a greater level of disregard than your average monarch ever did.

The idea of supply/demand has allowed the capitalist to justify ever decreasing salaries to the point where your average full-time worker on this planet today is not even able to really support their own lifestyle. This necessitates the ever growing centralization of a socialist style bureaucracy to support the needs of workers who are being underpaid by their employers. If you want to rid the world of totalitarian and centralized governments, you must first remedy the marketplace which justifies their existence.

a reply to: Nechash

So when can I expect my "share" of your energy, resources ect...........................

IT"S NOT FAIR.............

There's over a trillion $ in material resources per person alive in the immediate vicinity of earth. If you understood just how shortchanged you were truly being, you'd stop with these straw man ideas. The players on this planet accept single digit economic growth rates because they want to be big fish in a small pond. If they truly took the training wheels off of humanity, they'd rapidly be made irrelevant.

a reply to: Nechash

So I guess I'm not getting anything from you??? I have to wait till human consciousness melds into one.

Bummer.

a reply to: pavil

Independence is the goal. Unity is what I am working away from. The problem isn't freedom or independence. It is the dog-eat-dog attitude which leads people towards poverty and suffering. That is the sole aspect of the liberation of this cosmos that I have issue with.

a reply to: Nechash

Humans, by nature, are greedy.
It's hard wired into us, survival of the fittest, etc...
As unfair as it may seem, it is a primal quality that has kept us alive and evolving as a species. What your proposing is impossible because it would require humans to deny the very quality that has enabled us to survive and thrive as a species.
It's been proven time after time in many cultures that socialism and communism both invariably evolve into totalitarianism very quickly. It stunts man's innate greed, his need to thrive, desire for superiority and self preservation.
Capitalism, as we are now witnessing in America, is not immune to the ravages of greed, the dangers of fascism and potential of totalitarianism.
Which is why America was created to be a republic where all would have a voice. If and when fascism/totalitarianism begins to endanger the republic, it is every American's duty to do whatever is necessary to root it out and eliminate it to preserve the republic, thereby preserving their rights and all opportunities that go along with them.
Which in an of itself is basically a greedy and self serving act.
It is my opinion that the perfect world/utopia you suggest can never be in human culture, because it unfortunately does not align with the innate, primal drives of human nature.
Elo

a reply to: olaru12

Same old nonsense from the same old regurgitated mantra from idiots. I'll tell you WHO would LOVE those jobs, the guy down the street who sleeps with a newspaper as a blanket on the corner for starters. Ever think that there are more desperate people in the U.S.?

originally posted by: Auricom
a reply to: olaru12

Same old nonsense from the same old regurgitated mantra from idiots. I'll tell you WHO would LOVE those jobs, the guy down the street who sleeps with a newspaper as a blanket on the corner for starters. Ever think that there are more desperate people in the U.S.?

Same old Rush Limbaugh BS with ideology getting in the way of common sense. That guy sleeping under a news paper is to ****** up to hold down any type of job much less any type of physical labor.

Sure there are desperate people in the U.S. desperate for another drink, fix or a handout from a chump.

originally posted by: Nechash
Independence is the goal. Unity is what I am working away from. The problem isn't freedom or independence. It is the dog-eat-dog attitude which leads people towards poverty and suffering. That is the sole aspect of the liberation of this cosmos that I have issue with.

Yet that is the way of this World, as well as the Cosmos. Natural law is natural law, and no amount of best of all possible Worlds nonsense is going to change that.

I know it's a brutal reality, and it's a very nice dream that you have, but there will not be any time soon any cosmic awakening or so called global unity.

To put it bluntly my friend, Most Humanbeings are greedy and evil. Sad, but true.

We are wretched beasts just like the animals. We all would join in on eating the deer alive in order to survive. ~$heopleNation

How are we going to pay for all this? Last I checked we were 17,631,000,000,000 dollars in debt. If interest rates start going up we will never get out of this hole our representatives have dug for us. Our payments toward the debt will go to interest alone. I'm all for helping people but it has to be done incrementally, not by a flood. One last thing if they do get to stay and if a new immigration bill is past, all the people who came here illegally trade their right to vote for amnesty. But you will never see the yahoos in DC put that in a bill.

a reply to: Tarzan the apeman.

Why should we repay anything to the Federal Reserve? Why should they set our interest rates? Money should be issued by our treasury and the federal reserve debt should be nationalized. Well connected businesses shouldn't get first dibs on low interest loans while the rest of us watch our standard of living evaporate to inflationary forces. If inflation is a price to be paid we should all pay it equally and if low interest loans are to be had, small businesses, not-for-profits and local companies should have equal access to those funds as do big corporations. So should college students. Why should the average undergrad be looking at 8% when corporations are getting 1% out of the backdoor at the Fed...

a reply to: olaru12

Back in the early '80s I was finished with high school and going to college. I was looking for a part time job and applied at a restaurant. I was pretty shy so I wanted a job as a dishwasher. The manager flat-out told me "oh, we give those jobs to illegal aliens" - so they gave me a job as hostess. It was a pretty creepy job because men seemed to think it was okay to touch me just because I was showing them to their tables. And it was a family restaurant similar to Denny's, not a Hooter's or someplace like that. So anyway I only lasted a few days as a hostess before I quit. We have all kinds of people in this country with all kinds of job skills and yes Americans are willing to do all kinds of jobs but they can't if those jobs are reserved for illegal aliens so they can be paid less than an American would be paid for those jobs.

Sal

The US borders will be closed eventually, and all Export/Imports stop overnight
(due to EMP, WW3, BRICS/dollar collapse etc etc)

Then the riots, then martial law, then fema camps yada yada

My guess is FEMA camps will become large scale housing for "illegal" immigrants who will start making walmarts clothes.

Most Americans would probably rather die in the riots than have to start working an assembly line after China cuts us off.

Global Economy will default and reset (hopefully within next 5 years) & this is why we are bringing in as many "illegals" as possible.

originally posted by: SallieSunshine
We have all kinds of people in this country with all kinds of job skills and yes Americans are willing to do all kinds of jobs but they can't if those jobs are reserved for illegal aliens so they can be paid less than an American would be paid for those jobs.

Sal

Then perhaps you should address the real problem. Companies that place profit from illegals by paying them less than min. wage under the table. It's called doing business the American way. Honor and fair play are kicked to the curb when it comes to corporate profit. That's not the illegals fault.

a reply to: olaru12

That is exactly the point. Those corporations will need to pay a living wage to get those jobs done in the future. The only reason they can pay crappy wages now is because all the work is done by illegals. I would support a work visa program for seasonal agricultural programs. Everything else needs to come above board.

a reply to: Dawgishly

A lot of seasonal agriculture jobs are paid by volume. That's why most Americans don't do them. They're hard and take time to learn. When you start out you make as little as $3/hour whereas a skilled migrant worker can make upwards of $15-$20 an hour. That's well above a livable wage.

originally posted by: Dawgishly
a reply to: olaru12

That is exactly the point. Those corporations will need to pay a living wage to get those jobs done in the future. The only reason they can pay crappy wages now is because all the work is done by illegals. I would support a work visa program for seasonal agricultural programs. Everything else needs to come above board.

Good for you! Do you think there is any politician alive that will go against the corporate juggernaut in favor of the American people? I don't! We live in a corporate oligarchy not a democratic republic like we are led to believe.
That's why Mo Brooks can rag on the illegals all he wants. He knows full well that nothing is going to change.