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The Constitution is obsolete.

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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 09:30 AM
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The Constitution is/was an "agreed upon". A way of conducting the business of a nation.

Obviously, that is no longer the case.

My point is those that believe if we just re-institute what the Founding Fathers intended we can "recover". Return to the glory years.

It's not happening. It cannot happen. This illusion needs to be dispelled...FAST.

The Constitution is now a barrier, a trap!!

The fixes needed to save the nation are well outside what is permissible by that very document.

The judicial branch is completely partisan when never has the need for "overview" has never been more critical. It would take unilateral action to correct the lies of "equal", of "fair" of precedence. No fix within the system for this issue.

The same applies in Congress. Donors have trumped voters. "Corporation" are the "villan". Yet, no one has come up with a replacement that has any workability whatsoever to that very system of corporations. The only articulated replacement is Communism...spare us. A fix for this issue? I don't think so...

The "publicly" owned system demands an increasing return on a quarterly basis or the execs are gone! Is there a fast fix for that one? I don't think so.

The right thinks a balanced budget would be a good start. WRONG. It would collapse what little is left of this "economy". That deficit spending is all that's keeping us afloat! The GOP establishment KNOWS this, as does the left. That's the real reason that the debates are restricted to "illegal immigration". Hobby Lobby. Fracking. On and on and on. Nothing but distractions from the big truth. It's OVER.

The morals issue, is, perhaps the biggest one. It's taken decades to subvert/"progress" to this point. Slamming in the old system would violate that same Constitution it professes to support. A fix? Where? How? NOPE.

If I'm wrong, please, please, show me where. Show the way....I'm glad I'm getting old......



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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 09:41 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Post Script. Some feel "amending" the Constitution may be part of the solution.

I rebut, the original thirteen colonies could only reach agreement on what a "federal" Gov't was restricted in doing. Zero on any state restrictions, that I see. What chance of accord with fifty states? What chance when some think marrying a goat is a right and other states would draw and quarter one for even expressing the idea? Forget it. It's no happening..



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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The US is built upon it's constitution and ingrained to it's core in practice, from business to pleasure. It has also filtered out around the world in various ways. The US is obviously a major player in the world, if not the prime player, despite it's current financial mess.

Germany was just about done for financially and they recovered, more than once, there are lessons to be learned a lot from Germany on recovery and policy IMO.

Perhaps a look at recovered nations would be a start.

IMO, the bigger picture is that it's the global banking system that requires review.
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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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The Constitution is not obsolete. Our politicians are corrupt. You trust them to re-write that document?



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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There is nothing wrong with the document. The problem is human fallibility and greed. Humans choose to pervert the message.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

Ok. Let me qualify this "obsolete".

1. To fix our current mess, to even survive as a nation, drastic action is required. Actions that are outside the Constitution both in the letter and the spirit of it.

If your boat is taking on water and your in danger of sinking just as you enter a harbor and that harbor has a 3 knot speed limit, what are you going to do? Your gonna say screw the speed limit, I'm beaching this boat before it sinks.

The "boat" is this nation, the speed limit is the "Constitution".

I'm betting you didn't even read the rant. If you did, then how do we fix this Constitutionally??



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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The Constitution and the 'country' it represented was annulled and void with the institution of the Federal Reserve system (the Creature from Jekyll Island, read the book or watch the movie on YT) and the Income Tax and IRS.

It was lost at that point and put in the hands of the Banks and the Corporations. It's just become more 'in your face' lately. It's not a country or a system of government, it's a corporation and your vote is a joke. You are considered chattel slaves to that corporation from the day you're born. (Does 'buy stuff! and pay interest on it' sound familiar? How about 'you can't to that unless you pay a fee, a tax, file paperwork and ask permission nicely.' All the while being told you're free, and you believe that quite obvious lie.)

If you want it back, you're going to have to storm Wall Street, Washington D.C., Langley, VA, the Denver International Airport (site of the alternate Continuity of Government facilities) and the Pentagon, and a few other places.

You're going to have to arrest, indict, imprison and execute all the people who took an oath to uphold the Constitution but who took bribes of one kind or another to do the exact opposite, and who have knowingly kept our real history from the people and lied through their teeth to us since 1913, all the while creating one war after another and one economic depression after another to make themselves richer and the rest of us poorer.

Meanwhile, they've amassed a military that will be used against us using our own money and sons, an unlimited supply of deluded adolescent testosterone-soaked manpower.

Of course, suggesting any of this, and saying it out loud, is now considered terrorism.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:19 AM
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The constitution is a living document that changes with the will of the people. That's what the amendments reflect. That keeps it from being obsolete.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: Bilk22
The Constitution is not obsolete. Our politicians are corrupt. You trust them to re-write that document?


Agreed!


When I read the Constitution, I see a document that defines FREEDOM! Why do people blame it, instead of themselves for voting and tolerating the corruption that has destroyed the values and guidelines set forth by the Constitution?

Hell, just watch the partisan arguments on ATS! People could give a spit about the Constitution when it comes to defending the actions of their political church! The only time the Constitution matters to political pundits, is when they can use it for their defense.

Don't blame the Constitution for our problems! We need to look know further than our own mirrors and those we elect into office as to our countries problems..........



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Bilk22

I'm betting you didn't even read the rant. If you did, then how do we fix this Constitutionally??



Follow the Constitution. That's how. That is the genius of the document.

Oh by the way I read your rant, but you didn't expressly state how it was "obsolete" and how it needs to be fixed.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: Restricted

No argument from me...other than saying the Constitution is the answer. It's not because it's not the problem!!

There are times when the Constitution has been "put aside". In the civil war, with the suspension of Hapeas Corpus. The arrest of sitting senators, the Psychiatric incarceration of Security risks in WW11. The "football". Numerous "conflicts". Income tax...on and on.

It's obsolete in the sense that it has been put aside already by our politicians and getting us back to where it can be agreed to and maintained properly is beyond the capabilities of that very document.

It is a painful statement for me.

I believe that it is true.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Restricted

No argument from me...other than saying the Constitution is the answer. It's not because it's not the problem!!

There are times when the Constitution has been "put aside". In the civil war, with the suspension of Hapeas Corpus. The arrest of sitting senators, the Psychiatric incarceration of Security risks in WW11. The "football". Numerous "conflicts". Income tax...on and on.

It's obsolete in the sense that it has been put aside already by our politicians and getting us back to where it can be agreed to and maintained properly is beyond the capabilities of that very document.

It is a painful statement for me.

I believe that it is true.

The Constitution provides methods for "fixing" what you feel is wrong in the world. The first and easiest step is to vote for people who represent your ideals. Any changes to the document will just put us further down the rabbit hole we're all getting tired of.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

Sorry, I meant fixing the plight that was face as a nation. I see no Constitutional way of reversing our course fast enough to save the nation.

If we weren't sitting on the precipice, I'd die to defend it.

having said that, take the EPA for example, it violates the tenth, it is a joke. Yet, I don't want our corporations to be able to pollute in the name of higher profit. They have and they would given the opportunity, obviously.

No constitutional answer to that one.

There's many more egs I'm sure your aware of.

So show me where the Constitution will fix those points I mentioned in the rant, seeing you read them.

I still maintain we haven't enough wiggle room/time for a constitutional fix. therefore, at least for the time being, the constitution is not the answer and if returned to, fully, blocks any chance of short term survival.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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a reply to: Bilk22

I no longer believe that to be true. I see not one single politician, NONE that will state how close we are to being toast as a nation. Not Ron Paul, NONE.

All of them pick specific points to debate/promote.

None have the guts to speak the full truth.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Thinking this through more, I guess a more accurate statement is "we are finished as a nation". Period. Too much to fix, too little time.

It is beyond the capabilities of the Constitution, our politicians and the people to fix our nation.

The only course I see that causes the least trauma is to dissolve the Union. Let those states who wish to go it alone, do so.

Let those that see a socialist utopia form a union of their own. Let those that wish to revive the Constitution and form a new and smaller union also do so.

Right now, the constitution is being used to reduce, almost daily, our freedoms. That combined with the current moral level of our society, makes the constitution obsolete....for now.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker

Is it true that the USA is still under Martial Law which hasn't been lifted from late 1800's??



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

It was a "living document". It is now referred to only to forward an agenda of some vested interest,as the another poster has pointed out. It is being used against us, not for us.

It is, in all practical purposes. DOA.

Blame who you want, us, them, whatever.

Dead on a slab in a morgue is dead on a slab in a morgue. Let the autopsy decide on the cause of death, it won't matter to the guy on the slab.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: nwtrucker
The Constitution is a piece of paper. People are responsible for your consternation. It matters not what the paper says if people are corrupt and self-serving.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Bilk22

I no longer believe that to be true. I see not one single politician, NONE that will state how close we are to being toast as a nation. Not Ron Paul, NONE.

All of them pick specific points to debate/promote.

None have the guts to speak the full truth.



But is that because of the Constitution?

These "traitors" took a vow to uphold it! Do they? Yet, we not only tolerate them, but re elect them to office!

Some might want a Constitutional Convention, which quite frankly scares the hell out of me more, due to fact of the corruption currently eating away at our Republic.

There is a shadow government controlling our Representative government! They (our elected officials) are either scared of being JFK'd for speaking the truth, OR they are just so greedy that they don't care!

Greed and power isn't just a cancer on the United States either! Just take a look at some of the other countries.

The Constitution gives the people the power and moral high ground to over throw a corrupt government! Do you think that power and authority will be there if it is re written by those whom willingly or unwillingly helped to destroy it?

We as Americans have to eliminate the disease, NOT treat the symptoms.........


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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

I've heard that. I've never followed it up.

Generally, I tend to avoid minutiae issues-too many headaches. That, in a way, is part of the problem. Individual issues rather than overview.

This thread is upsetting, to say the least. The Constitution is the foundation of the conservative movement in the U.S..

We are the solver of this problem, not a document. A document is only as useful as it is adhered to. It looks to me that it's "usefulness" is receding.

We need to think outside the box to solve this. Judging by the replies, it's not going to happen..




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