IT'S SPREADING: Liberian dies in Morocco of Ebola

a reply to: loam

Just how deadly is this virus? I have my doubts about the strength of ebola...

This could be very very dangerous.Had to see this coming.

a reply to: OrionsGem

this bad,,



or,,




decide.

a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

Tbh, the way you said your first sentence made me think of the games Pandemic and Pandemic II. You create a disease (for example one of mine was SCAIDS- Spontaneous Combustion AIDS), and watch it spread through the globe, adding symptoms to further the strain.

It was a great tutorial on how outbreaks occur, but now we're facing this in real life.

5$ if Madagascar shuts down everything.

a reply to: TheToastmanCometh

actually its Philipines,,, Brazil,, unconfirmed,,
so,,ill see your
Madagasger
and raise u a Australia first,,

then ,,Guatamala. double or nothing.

Scary stuff for sure ! .. but while your waiting to be infected play the free game " pandemic 2 " see how long it takes you to destroy mankind... very addictive...RIP to all that die in the real one.

I can't start a thread yet, but since this one is about Ebola spreading...

Um homem que desembarcou no aeroporto de Guarulhos, na Grande São Paulo, na manhã de hoje, foi levado para o hospital Emílio Ribas, na Região Central da capital e está internado numa área isolada. O africano, cujo nome não foi revelado, passa por exames que podem revelar a contaminação pelo vírus Ebola...

Basically: a man from Africa who landed in São Paulo, Brazil, was taken to the hospital and is isolated. The exams to confirm that it is Ebola still need to be done, though, so take this with a grain of salt.

Source (in Brazilian Portuguese, sorry)

EDIT: by the way, that is from August, 2nd. I haven't seen anything since then, other than a few "the government says that the chances of an outbreak in Brazil are extremely unlikely" articles here and there.

a reply to: 00nunya00

And here in the US, millions of people can't afford to even go to the doctor, let alone the hospital. Going to the hospital is a death sentence of insurmountable bills.

We still honor the Hippocratic oath in the US, if you walk into a hospital violently ill you will be treated, regardless of your financial state. And if you had Ebola, not going to the hospital would certainly be a death sentence.

That said, I've stayed off the Ebola doom-porn train until now, this news of a passenger falling dead on the jetway at Gatwick is sobering.

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We been told that it would be relatively easy to contain in a first world city with modern healthcare, i suppose now we'll find out if that's true.

originally posted by: DirtyD
a reply to: 00nunya00

And here in the US, millions of people can't afford to even go to the doctor, let alone the hospital. Going to the hospital is a death sentence of insurmountable bills.

We still honor the Hippocratic oath in the US, if you walk into a hospital violently ill you will be treated, regardless of your financial state. And if you had Ebola, not going to the hospital would certainly be a death sentence.

It's not a question of not being treated, it's a question of the hospital billing you afterwards. Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean they're not going to bill you anyways. So most people who can't afford it won't chance incurring $2k in medical bills because they *might* have ebola. They will wait until it's obvious they have ebola, and by then it's already too late to keep them from spreading it to everyone via "six degrees of separation."

a reply to: Snarl

So you can't trust the infected...

Then you cant trust anyone at all, is what you are saying.

I'll remember that if/when there's an outbreak and your mom/sister/child has a simple head cold and is thrown into a quarantine facility and promptly dies after catching the real virus there....lol Big LOL

At least I know if tshtf, it will be unwise to travel to the US with Hayfever, as it will probably be a death sentence.... Heh

A standrd trip to the emergency does not cost 2k. I sliced the tip of my thumb off and when it was all said and done it cost $700. Last time I was sick, I went to Urgent Care, had some tests run, it cost $125. My PCP was $75, now with insurance it costs $40 to see him.

If an Ebola epidemic hits the US, lack of available health care will not be the starting factor.

Listed population for Liberian Africa is 4.19 million with the largest living in the capitol city which contains 970.824 of the population when last recorded. The total area of the nation is 43,000 square miles. That means at least 97.44 people per square mile or one person per 56 feet. 532 deaths from Ebola recorded by the CDC in that area or at least near for 2014, I think the number is higher now. That means the virus is moving around at a rate of 5.9 feet per hour, this is only counting deaths not infected. If I added infected in the area it would be moving faster (16.5').

In the past it's been contained a lot faster and only killed half as many people (always the same strain Zaire Ebola virus) I think this version of the virus is getting stronger or at least faster.

The Liberian dead in Nigeria raises questions about how well this disease is being contained. If another hotspot develops in Nigeria for Ebola that might be the point of no return. Ebola loose in a crowded city like Lagos, Nigeria will just be the worst possible scenario.

originally posted by: DirtyD
A standrd trip to the emergency does not cost 2k. I sliced the tip of my thumb off and when it was all said and done it cost $700. Last time I was sick, I went to Urgent Care, had some tests run, it cost $125. My PCP was $75, now with insurance it costs $40 to see him.

If an Ebola epidemic hits the US, lack of available health care will not be the starting factor.

1) ER visit rates vary across the US and across hospitals in the same area; $700 here might be $2k there.

2) $700 is still 2-3 weeks worth of wages for some people

3) Again, it's not a lack of "available" health care, it's the reluctance to use it based on cost. You do realize that $125 is 2+ weeks worth of groceries for some families, right?

Second ebola victim in Lagos, Nigeria confirmed.

Ebola Outbreak: Nigeria Confirms Second Case as Fears Virus Could Spread Worldwide Grow

In Nigeria, Health Minister Onyebuchi Chukwu said test samples are pending for three other people who had shown symptoms of Ebola, and that authorities are trying to trace and quarantine others. The confirmed second case in Nigeria is a doctor who had helped treat Patrick Sawyer, the Liberian-American man who died July 25 days after arriving in Nigeria from Liberia.

"Three others who participated in that treatment who are currently symptomatic have had their samples taken and hopefully by the end of today we should have the results of their own test," Chukwu said.

The emergence of a second case raises serious concerns about the infection control practices in Nigeria, and also raise the spectre that more cases could emerge. It can take up to 21 days after exposure to the virus for symptoms to appear.

a reply to: Smidge

July 25 zero day.

21 Days.

a reply to: Smidge

I was just about to post about that Doctor.

I'm wondering who he has been in contact with over the last 4 days?

This is Lagos. This could now spread around that City pretty quick.

a reply to: 00nunya00
Yet, there is no fear of the hospitals, not in the way you would find in Africa. Consider this, many who are from Africa are taught from a young age to be wary of dogs, to shun or even be terrified of them. But if you talk to some who are from such countries, you find out the reason why they are is cause the only dogs they see are usually sick or guard dogs.

The same thing goes true for hospitals, and thus the distrust and fear is there of the medical system in many African countries.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

We're told that you can only catch Ebola from close contact with the victim's body fluids. Yet here we have proof of a killer virus that easily infects healthcare workers who are trying to help.

We are told that there is no reason to worry about a pandemic. Does that make sense? Do they expect all symptomatic people to stay at home alone until they die? It seems that even taking strict precautions, doctors and nurses are at great risk.

Here in the UK, the BBC have buried today's ebola news inside an obscure article at the bottom of their website. It make me even more concerned when information is suppressed or inadequately analysed by experts in the field.

Then again, what do I know? This sounds like good news. It's all about plotting a graph of time against number of cases. This scientist seems to be saying it will fizzle out.

Ebola outbreak: end of epidemic in sight, says scientist

Prof Chris Witty of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine says the epidemic has already peaked in Guinea and will hopefully begin to decline across other countries in the near future .