Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest call to manage welfare payments

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posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 09:29 PM
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Millions of welfare recipients could be told what they can and can't buy if the federal government accepts a new plan. A proposal to roll out income management to all 2.5 million people on working-age welfare - including disability support pensioners and carers - is reportedly contained in a review led by mining magnate Andrew Forrest.Mr Forrest wants all welfare recipients including non-indigenous Australians to be included in the scheme.


I dont know how many Aussie posters here are currently on some form of welfare payment, students,or even if working are in a causalised insecure form employment sometimes known as underemployed or working poor.
I am not going to say what form of payment I am on ,or talk about my own income insecurity other to say this will affect me and I am not all happy that tycoons not just politicians keep putting the boot into lower class aussies or marginalized aussies when they know full well their wonderful neo liberal/Economic rationalist, globalist policies both parties has led to welfare dependency for the most part not the behaviors/ lifestyle of the recipients.

In the case of Aborigines there maybe some personal behaviors that are keeping them dependent but this no longer just about them but every Australian or whom is currently on or may in future be receiving some form of welfare payment. Mr Forrest shouldn't using this as bridgehead for his own agenda which is clearly just a way i think he believes he can lower his own tax bill.
Anyway given the amount of affirmative action policies both big government and big private enterprise are suppose adhere to in the labour market these days i thought more indigenous and other so called minorities would be being placed in professional positions especially corporate & big government jobs since they are the two forces mostly pushing affirmative action polices in the HR industry. Seems like 2014 has become the year of putting the boot into the least fortunate.
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posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 09:46 PM
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posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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I actually agree with the idea in principle.

Its just a measure of stopping welfare payments just going straight on alcohol or other non-essential items.
If you are on the dole, your welfare payments should be in the form of food stamps, clothing coupons, etc. There should also be the use of free public transport and fuel discounts to aid people in travelling for job interviews.

Cash handouts is a thoughtless answer.

Welfare is there to support your life whilst you look for means of employment.

Welfare where the person is unable to work should come under a different category though.



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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Ok Things like this really piss me off. Here in the U.S. they had $780 billion for Wall Street they could just give to "bail them out" while cutting welfare/disability for the rest of us.
I REALLY don't like the idea of the government telling me what I am going to buy. Here we must all pay for "Obamacare" health insurance like it or pay a fine.
Affirmative Action is just something they use as an excuse for not hiring minorities that is in small writing down at the bottom of paperwork so they don't get sued.
Maybe your boy Forrest ought to have someone tell him what he should buy with his $ since we know he is most likely taking kickbacks.
Haven't you heard of the golden rule? He who has the gold makes the rules. They also sing and dance well.

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posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: formvoltron
Ok Things like this really piss me off. Here in the U.S. they had $780 billion for Wall Street they could just give to "bail them out" while cutting welfare/disability for the rest of us.


Apples & Oranges.

Bailing out companies that employ thousands of people that would of otherwise resulted in mass unemployment is justified IMO, as long as the wrong doers are punished.

disability is not something that should ever be reduced. However, there needs to be more thorough testing to stop people rorting the system.



I REALLY don't like the idea of the government telling me what I am going to buy.


Neither do I, when I earn my money.

People who are long term collecting unemployment are a different kettle of fish though. They are just living off other peoples money and there is a large percentage that are not interested in working. How is that fair? Maybe they would change their mind if they werent just given cash in hand.



Maybe your boy Forrest ought to have someone tell him what he should buy with his $ since we know he is most likely taking kickbacks.


I dont believe in punishing the rich because they are rich and others are not. Forrests companies provide a lot of money and jobs for this country. Why should he get told how to spend his hard earned?

A lot of it is wallet envy IMO.

Work for the dole and managed welfare payments are a great step forward, both for people genuinely looking for a job and the country as a whole.

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posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 10:26 PM
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Its just a measure of stopping welfare payments just going straight on alcohol or other non-essential items. If you are on the dole, your welfare payments should be in the form of food stamps, clothing coupons, etc. There should also be the use of free public transport and fuel discounts to aid people in traveling for job interviews. Cash handouts is a thoughtless answer.

You dont say jack, thats the msm and gov line.The point is the tycoons and talking heads just talk from the top of the Pyramid they have no idea about the personal lives involved nor want to. They make blanket size fits all prescriptions for every individual when every case is different rest of your response is just more neo liberal PR. Are you employed by them?
Infact rather than this the governments should be looking at reform of the Recruitment Industry far too many of them & most are completely ineffective they are owned and operated by foreign ceos, and managed by 457s and consultants are working visa non local staff.
They place their own nationalities in the jobs and screw over the local applicants & some times import/fly them in wholesale to replace local applicants or workers.

I am also extremely uncomfortable having rednecks like Forrest or Reinhardt from a backward state like WA deciding the fate of millions everywhere else in the continent. WA has an extremely high crime rate plus they are like NT the indigenous are treated like third world class citizens over there. I went to Kalgoorlie one time i know what I am talking about, & that's not even the worst city or town for their treatment in WA, NT also bad.

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posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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Anytime a billionaire (whether self made or inherited money) drives Government policy I take notice.
I ask myself whats the real agenda here. Who will benefit?

Lets not forget these same miners pushed for the creation of 457 Visas. By not putting more into the local workforce do you really think they have ordinary Australians interests at heart?



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 11:05 PM
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Yes. How is Mr. Forrest qualified to speak intelligently about welfare reform?
Oh he's a multi-millionaire. He must be a good singer too.

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posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 11:07 PM
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Apples & Oranges. Bailing out companies that employ thousands of people that would of otherwise resulted in mass unemployment is justified IMO, as long as the wrong doers are punished.



The financial sectors that got bailed out do not employ thousands! The were rewarded for gambling. Open your eyes, they gambled with Bondholders money.

What a lot of Australians dont know is that late last year the Govt siogned paperwork that effectively means that in an event of Bank default ordinary savers money will be GRABBED to attempt to make the bank viable. Its called the Bail In for anyone interested in seeing what your rulers think of us


You state


Work for the dole and managed welfare payments are a great step forward, both for people genuinely looking for a job and the country as a whole.


Why stop there...why dont we say make mining companies reinvest at least 30-40% of their annual profits in manufacturing? or in farming...allow us to become self sufficient again?

I dont beleive in punishing the rich either. But I kmow they became rich just on hard work...they utilize tax shelters, donate to both sides of politics...you get the pciture; I dont think you're naive



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 11:25 PM
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Great post I agree wholeheardlty...until you had to go and say this...




backward state like WA


Thats right WA the state that creates a foreign exchange surplus...SURPLUS...so you Easterners can party all night long in Kings Cross.

I wont even attempt to get into the tax sharing allocations with selfish people like you.





WA has an extremely high crime rate



I went to Kalgoorlie one time


WOW ...you're so travelled. Care to back up your claim. Last time I was in Sydney I saw an unprovoked violent altercation at 7pm in a cafe. I chose not to judge the whole of NSW over that one incident.
And whilst on the subject of Aborigines...You do remember that Redfern is in NSW?

And on crime..what about the Cronulla riots of 2005...

About time you got your foot out of your mouth and apologize.



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 11:28 PM
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But I kmow they became rich just on hard work..


should have said....

But I know they DIDNT became rich just on hard work.



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 11:51 PM
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People who are long term collecting unemployment are a different kettle of fish though. They are just living off other peoples money and there is a large percentage that are not interested in working. How is that fair? Maybe they would change their mind if they werent just given cash in hand.

First of all genius jobs have to exist in the first place. Australia's labour market cannot meet the demands for those that want and wish to work. Afterall employment in the majority of industries,positions and levels of competency is now is monopolised by recruitment firms(i dont mean JSPs).
They are not so much interested in the job seeker rather their clients; big corporations or financial institutions. After all why would they be interested in the job seeker most job seekers dont pay a fee to use their services e.g. reply to job ads on seek or whatever, where as their clients do, the applicant is always at a disadvantage.
Of cause many young Australians train for trades but this burden falls onto small business and they simply cannot take on that load nor wish to either,whether coerced by government or not.In any case most of those guys employ their own family or close friends not just random applicants.
As this stupid LNP government is no longer interested in average folks studying thus why they increased student loans etc. it is clear to me they only interested in a race to the bottom in living standards to third world standards, it can happen here in Australia to.
This not just something for sth america, some of asia, africa.The Real failure and cause of all this is the failure of neo liberal ideology in the form of Globalisation. Austerity will not change dam thing except get peoples back up and make them angry as it has done every where else in the world!.

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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 12:12 AM
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Thats right WA the state that creates a foreign exchange surplus...SURPLUS...so you Easterners can party all night long in Kings Cross.

Why say that i didnt know you knew all about my personal life. Are clairvoyant ?
Most air heads doing that kind of thing would waste their saturday typing in forum like this your a bad judge of character.





WOW ...you're so travelled. Care to back up your claim. Last time I was in Sydney I saw an unprovoked violent altercation at 7pm in a cafe. I chose not to judge the whole of NSW over that one incident. And whilst on the subject of Aborigines...You do remember that Redfern is in NSW?

I ve been to every state in Australia plus travelled most of western europe.
You can choose to doubt me all you like why should i care. I stated what i said because i ve noticed the difference between different states QLD not a popular state for me either.
You seem too small minded for me i dont need your affirmation of my opinions perhaps you can start a thread on WA succeeding from the rest of Australia. The nut jobs over there been talking about it for decades however never seem to be able to bring themselves to do it!.
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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 03:21 AM
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This thread is just rife with wallet envy.

Why should mining companies have to kick an ADDITIONAL 30-40% of their profits back to the government?

Id love to see your reaction if you were made to kick back an additional 30-40% on your pay check.

Forrest has just as much a right as anyone else does to say where he thinks his taxes should be spent.

He contributes WAY more than you ever will in terms of a dollar value to this country. And yet you think he should have less of a say in where his tax is spent. Lol!



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 04:04 AM
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originally posted by: Collateral
This thread is just rife with wallet envy.

Why should mining companies have to kick an ADDITIONAL 30-40% of their profits back to the government?

Id love to see your reaction if you were made to kick back an additional 30-40% on your pay check.

Forrest has just as much a right as anyone else does to say where he thinks his taxes should be spent.

He contributes WAY more than you ever will in terms of a dollar value to this country. And yet you think he should have less of a say in where his tax is spent. Lol!


All that is true but it is a bit insulting that there are no Aboriginal Billionaires in 2014...



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 04:39 AM
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This all about a few simple message
1. Recipients of welfare for individuals get too much money
2. Money paid to individual welfare recipients is a waste of money.
3. cut down the amount of money given to individuals

Twiggy is not saying anything about corporate welfare payments because he does not want the public to know about, think about or focus on corporate welfare.

Example of corporate welfare - a $3 billion gift handed over to the Murdoc family in the form a football stadium built on Casino land owned by the Murdoc family, in Perth

Example of corporate welfare - 0.05% tax on bank accounts to bail banks out with if they go broke. Passed by the Rudd labour faction



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 05:30 AM
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He contributes WAY more than you ever will in terms of a dollar value to this country. And yet you think he should have less of a say in where his tax is spent. Lo

If we are getting to the point where one can buy their right to control democracy and their voice is more important because of this fact. Then you know this country as a democracy is heading south fast.
This is happening of cause not just due to Forrest also Reinhardt,Murdoch & Palmer(no I am no clive fan either) so lets see we have Billionaire tycoons all vying for power and influence on government policy & in Palmers case forming political parties and running for PM themselves.
So you want to be the spokes person for plutocrats go ahead but your a disgrace to the concept of democracy.

Australia to day is a Plutocracy NOT a democracy not doubt about It!
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posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 05:42 AM
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You are the one saying he shouldn't be able to have a say in where his tax money is spent because he is a billionaire.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 06:12 AM
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If we are getting to the point where one can buy their right to control democracy and their voice is more important because of this fact. Then you know this country as a democracy is heading south fast.


You speak as though Abbott is going to adopt Andrew Forrest's recommendations. He's not.

Keep up please.

Regards, a WA 'nutjob'



posted on Aug, 2 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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Imagine in a cashless society where everything is electronic and the actual transactions for booze and so on are filtered within the system. Like you go to the shop and it denies payments. All your debts spiralling out of control and direct debits will still go through fine though.





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