Ebola outbreak: Royal Air Force 'on standby' to bring back infected Brits

a reply to: Hellas

Never said it couldn't happen now did I? Just highly unlikely.

Of course that article would go with a such a statement though, more fear mongering, even mentioning marshal (sic) law!

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: Hellas

Never said it couldn't happen now did I?

Of course that article would go with a such a statement though, more fear mongering, even mentioning marshal (sic) law!

Dude it's not a contest! I just showed you what I read, nothing more. It's not about who has more knowledge. I have none on that topic, so I search the internet for possibilities.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: Hellas


Of course that article would go with a such a statement though, more fear mongering, even mentioning marshal (sic) law!

Well read the executive order, Obama signed 2 days ago, where people with respiratory illnesses can be detained

"(b) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza."

www.whitehouse.gov...

a reply to: Hellas

Detained?

Really?

afludiary.blogspot.com.au...

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: Hellas

Detained?

Really?

afludiary.blogspot.com.au...

Oh ok, so when you cough and get quarantined, its something different.. My bad then

a reply to: Hellas

Stop fear mongering please.

The amendment hardly changed anything, stop making out that what you call detaining people is new, it's not.

Compare what was actually changed..

Old:
(b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public health consequences.
www.cdc.gov...

New:
(b) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza.
www.whitehouse.gov...

a reply to: Expat888

Going to be interesting what they say when it gets loose in other countries because they failed to quarantine the area.. suspect many more will die because of government stupidity ...

The crimnals running our healthcare need another shoot in the arm, a boost to profits that something like Aids did 25 years ago.

I work as a window repair man so please lets see more broken windows.

Today we have too many people on earth, gods special ones cannot breath so pay up or die and if the army comes then they are not coming to protect you but to keep your area under quarantine.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: Hellas

Stop fear mongering please.

The amendment hardly changed anything, stop making out that what you call detaining people is new, it's not.

Compare what was actually changed..

Old:
(b) Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), which is a disease associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, is transmitted from person to person predominantly by the aerosolized or droplet route, and, if spread in the population, would have severe public health consequences.
www.cdc.gov...

New:
(b) Severe acute respiratory syndromes, which are diseases that are associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness, are capable of being transmitted from person to person, and that either are causing, or have the potential to cause, a pandemic, or, upon infection, are highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled. This subsection does not apply to influenza.
www.whitehouse.gov...

Read it yourself! The old one talks about actual illnesses and the new one quarantines everybody that has the 'potential' and maybe 'could' infect another person!

a reply to: Hellas

You read it yourself.

One part of section (b) is all that's changed.

That's it.

The quarantine rules have not changed, they've been the same since before 2003.

The list of illnesses is still there in part (a)..

(a) Cholera; Diphtheria; infectious Tuberculosis; Plague; Smallpox; Yellow Fever; and Viral Hemorrhagic Fevers (Lassa, Marburg, Ebola, Crimean-Congo, South American, and others not yet isolated or named).

a reply to: Hellas
Ah well, never mind, this thread is about the UK perspective and pretty much any emergency powers can be passed here as easily as passing wind.
At least we don't have to worry about FEMA camps, there isn't much space on this island to create any so if it all went bad here I would see bans on travel, curfews, and entire cities and towns being locked down.
It's not like there is anything I could do to prevent that, so again, why do the chicken little thing?
Fear about something that 'might' happen is a wasted emotional state to be in that just causes more worry to the neurotic types who read ATS.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: GreyGoo
Hmm, I would not agree that 'we deserve what's coming to us', and would also ask who is this 'us' you speak of?
Stupid people?
Unproductive people?
Media brainwashed materialistic consumers?
ATS members?

I would never think the spread of a virus that kills many people is a good thing, but equally, I do not share the panic and fear seen in some of the other threads about it, especially the US focused topics. I prefer to deal with whatever happens with a calm mind...fear has never helped me in any crisis I've been through, even when genuinely believing I was about to die.

Take my comments with a pinch of salt the internet has made me a tad sadistic, effects of to many epic faceplant videos lol. I refer to us as in the collective us, the human race in general. I appreciate there is still alot of good in the world but the media I consume tends to leave me thinking the earth is needing a major rebalancing to give the other species and even future generations of humans here the same chance previous generations have had.

a reply to: GreyGoo
That's fair enough, and to be honest, if half the worlds population were to die of Ebola or some other plague of sorts, I wouldn't really be crying my eyes out so long as the human race survived.

Would I want to be one of the dead, or have family and friends as victims? Of course not, but that is just my natural selfish self-preservation mindset as an individual - People who I do not know die every day, 10,000 or millions, the numbers make me no more or less sad when I am unaffected. Cold? Perhaps, but I can't and won't cry for everyone in the world. That doesn't really help me or anyone else.

a reply to: grainofsand

Quite - with the stroke of a pen, the PM can invoke the Emergency Powers Act (or it's modern equivalent) and do as he see's fit.

I also believe that us Brits are far less prone to public panic and would largely comply with any orders over curfews, restrictions etc - we've done it before during the War because we knew it was for the greater good.

Our rebellious, colonial cousins over the pond, however, may end up causing mischief for themselves just to "stick it to the man"...

a reply to: stumason
Nice one Stu, I'm now waiting for the cries of 'Crown subjects!' 'You gave up yer guns!' 'Socialist commies!' 'You have no freedom!' and all the rest of it in 3..2..1...

...and possibly a youtube scene from Braveheart by a US national with Scottish ancestry, we all know how so many like to post that inappropriately whenever a rational and reasoned debate is going on lol

Sounds like they need a new COBRA meeting.

One that thinks in the interests of all of the nation instead of a few idiots out there in the zone.

Leave them there. Close the ports. Simple.

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
Leave them there. Close the ports. Simple.

Which ports, all of them, or just flights from West Africa?
All sea and airports being closed will of course cause pretty much instant economic collapse for the UK. I don't really fancy that to be honest.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: theabsolutetruth
Leave them there. Close the ports. Simple.

Which ports, all of them, or just flights from West Africa?
All sea and airports being closed will of course cause pretty much instant economic collapse for the UK. I don't really fancy that to be honest.

It is tempting to say all ports though I know that isn't feasible.

The ports of West Africa and any associated en route high risk ports should be closed as a matter of International security.

Restrictions in all other ports internationally should be majorly ramped up and essential travel only, freight etc similarly with extra restrictions.

I am not buying bananas for a while.

a reply to: LrdRedhawk


Yea this is just like a cold chill down the spine.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth
High risk port/country screening would seem sensible.
I'll still be buying West African bananas though, certainly until more than a few thousand people have caught Ebola in a wide geographic area with a couple of hundred million humans who live there.

More risk to my life walking home from a night out than Ebola is to me right now.

a reply to: Logarock
A nice cup of tea can help with that
...or are you scared that UK military will make a mistake then Ebola will get into our population, then someone will catch a plane from LHR to NYC then infect a taxi driver who infects his friend who has a train to Ohio tomorrow to sell apples at your local market (which he spat on to polish them) and you buy one!!!!!

OMGZ!! That frightens me as well now I've thought of it!!!