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GOP tells Obama to ignore congress one day after suing him for ignoring Congress.

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posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: Bilk22


"Come on and help a little bit." What does that mean? Does anyone know exactly what Obama wants? He wants amnesty for everyone crossing the border and there's no end in site as to when they'll stop crossing. If I were a Rep member of Congress I'd call a press conference and say, just as Colin Powell said to Bush, "If you break it you own it Mr. President as do all the democrats in Congress that support your actions." Referring to allow hundreds of thousands to enter the country illegally, consuming resources and funding that American citizens could use now in these hard times. I'd spell it out for everyone so there's no misunderstanding. Then let the democrats own this.


This sort of thinking only perpetuates that fantasy - that the right somehow has a solution and the left is hell bent on ruining this country with illegal immigrants

There's a real crisis. We need to work this out, and it's going to require the full participation of both parties. Like it or not

First of all - the immigration issue is separate from this border crisis issue - and I say this because many seem to be more than willing to lump it all together so they won't have to fight about more than one thing. Many people already hate immigrants - so - less gum flapping all the way around

It's not that simple

The disarray arose over what most view as an urgent humanitarian issue, the stream of tens of thousands of unaccompanied minors crossing illegally into South Texas. Most are from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala, where towns are beset by gang violence. They are seeking to reunite with family members and drawn by rumors that once here they would be allowed to stay.


Boehner’s humiliating defeat: House border bill scratched at last minute

The House appeared all set to pass border legislation after making concessions to the right. It still wasn't enough


I'll tell you who is ultimately going to own this - it's the GOP

They have the freedom right now to criticize and blame - knowing full well those kids are going to be taken care of. But people will remember how they didn't handle this. They may have succeeded in blocking everything now - but one of two things is going to happen...

In two short years - this will be their problem. I'd like to see that actually - it's a twisted kind of ironic universe fantasy of mine - it would be hilarious

Or - voters will see things for what they are - and the GOP will have handed the presidency over to the Dems again - with a big ribbon on it

And rainbow sprinkles




edit on 7/31/2014 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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I will tell ya what.

The left can feel free to push the demagogic bubble about the right such as this thread.

But they have no one to blame but themselves.

Had the left NOT gotten drunk off their own power from 2008 to 2010 and passed that trash law the ACA they would still prolly hold the House right along the Senate.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen




He passed it off to Obama, who has failed. Or has he? Hmmm.


I say the current guy as part of the Faithfully Execute Clause.

Which he has epically failed.

For 2 years if they wanted to do something about that law, and immigration they could have done so,but instead they blame the 'right' ! ! ! !



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:13 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis


First of all - the immigration issue is separate from this border crisis issue - and I say this because many seem to be more than willing to lump it all together so they won't have to fight about more than one thing. Many people already hate immigrants - so - less gum flapping all the way around


But doesn't the 2008 law address all the issues ?

I think so.

The Obama Administration has selectively omitted the key parts to further their agenda.

Polly want a cracker?




posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen



The Obama Administration has selectively omitted the key parts to further their agenda.


That agenda being...?

You can keep your crackers - Polly has had her fill



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:23 PM
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Talk about a failure of leadership.


They label it a invasion and this is how they respond?



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Personally I think the current guy sitting in the oval office getting shot down by the Scotus to be more 'embarrassing'.

Especially for a 'constitutional' lawyer.

www.nationalreview.com...

Not once.

Not twice.

Not thrice.

But 13 times.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: xuenchen



The Obama Administration has selectively omitted the key parts to further their agenda.


That agenda being...?

You can keep your crackers - Polly has had her fill



Ohhh

I think that's rather obvious don't you ?



and I was offering the crackers to Harry Reid. sorry for the misunderstanding.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: muse7

"In a statement following the decision to abruptly scrap a vote on the measure, Boehner and his fellow GOP leaders tried to put the onus back on Obama, saying the president had the power to act unilaterally, "without the need for congressional action," to respond to the crisis."

Now why do you suppose that the vote was scrapped?
That would be because the Ted Cruz faction played their wild card.
And that would be, "Compromise? Not today, not tomorrow, not ever!"
And why does Ted Cruz turn John Boehner into a lapdog?
You'll have to ask the Koch brothers.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 10:37 PM
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The Republican party as it stands right now is not fit to govern, the party is divided between the Tea Party and moderate Republicans and is in shambles. This was a humiliating defeat for Boehner no doubt about it, what failed here was Boehners attempt to get the Tea Party members to vote against their own interests.

Frivolous lawsuits against the President can't conceal the fact that this is the worst congress in recent history.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
The Republican party as it stands right now is not fit to govern, the party is divided between the Tea Party and moderate Republicans and is in shambles. This was a humiliating defeat for Boehner no doubt about it, what failed here was Boehners attempt to get the Tea Party members to vote against their own interests.

Frivolous lawsuits against the President can't conceal the fact that this is the worst congress in recent history.


Of course that might only be a fallacy.

They simply can't get by the Democrat Senate and Democrat Executive Branch.

The National level Republicans might be using "tactics".

Democrats as a rule are easy to fool and easy to be made "comfortable".







posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 11:24 PM
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Frivolous lawsuits against the President can't conceal the fact that this is the worst congress in recent history.


Sorry that 'honor' goes the the congress that gave us the ACA.

For the record ?

Independents is the largest voting block that matters.

Neither side can win without them.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 11:38 PM
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"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.a reply to: neo96"



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: loam
a reply to: muse7

There is a material difference in a president's duty to enforce existing immigration law and a president's unlawful decision to unilaterally change healthcare law.

Cute phrasing, but hardly accurate.


Almost exactly what I was going to say. Asking the president to do his job is a lot different then him aiding criminals.



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
a reply to: neo96

From your own source:


Mr. Bush placed telephone calls to lawmakers throughout the morning, but members of his party abandoned him in droves, with only 12 of the 49 Senate Republicans sticking by him on the key procedural vote that determined the bill’s fate. Nearly one-third of Senate Democrats voted, in effect, to block action on the bill.
Can you, or anyone else for that matter, explain why we need a new immigration law? Can you or anyone else explain why we are not enforcing the existing laws?



posted on Jul, 31 2014 @ 11:52 PM
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a reply to: TheBoomersRBusted

A lot of the grievances from our ancestors declaring their independence are applicable today:

For example:



He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good


His absolutely refusal to prevent or prosecute ILLEGALS.



He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.


Governors like Jan Brewer to pass their own laws to help prevent/deter illegal immigration.



He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.


Since he and his party held the trifecta of goverment did nothing for immigration.

We got the Affordable Shaft Act.

He has refused to Enforce the prevention and deterrence parts of that 2008 law.



He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.


Pretty much done this for all 'intents and purposes' that guy whose got a pen and phone, and promised the 'year of action'



He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.


That covers immigration as it is an invasion.

Hell there are 10-30 million already here that represents a danger from within because there is no way to pay for them.



He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.


Yep the appropriation of lands is those military bases, and 'resorts' and everything else being used to 'house' and 'feed' those 'poor huddled masses'.

That has been shipped all over the country by now.



He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.


The DOJ is a joke with it's 'boss' in the potus's pocket.



He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substanc


And there we have it.

My signature.

Pretty much speaks for itself.

www.archives.gov...

They defend the 'king'.




edit on 31-7-2014 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: muse7

Considering the situation there is no conflict with the statement congress made about the border. The president is the head of the Executive branch. In civilian affairs he is essentially the police chief. Congress has drafted and created laws in regards to immigration. They have also created laws in regards to individuals bypassing those immigration laws and entering the country illegally.

This is a total non-issue. The congress wants the Executive branch to enforce the laws Congress has passed. They want him to detain, process, and deport individuals crossing the border who bypass the immigration laws Congress has created. They want him to secure the southern border against the tidal wave of human beings bypassing those laws Congress has created regarding immigration.

In fact Congress should not need to tell him this. Protection of the border is solely the Presidents responsibility. Our current president is displaying serious dereliction of duty in the way he is handling the security of our borders. He is displaying serious dereliction of duty in the way he is handling those individuals who are crossing the border in defiance of proper immigration procedure. To put it mildly President Obama is failing miserably in his sworn duty to protect the border and enforce the immigration laws that Congress, in their rightful capacity and power, has written and passed as legislation.

These are simple facts and the way in which you are presenting the actions of Congress is completely misguided.



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: muse7
Well, that was a half-assed effort at an anti-Republican post. While most Obama supporters are pretty good liars and spinners...this one actually failed pretty badly. Keep watching the King Rat and I'm sure you will pick up some pointers.



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 06:19 AM
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a reply to: muse7

There's a huge difference with the president following and enforcing the law and congress trying to draft up new ones to fix a problem the SHOULDNT be happening in the first place.



posted on Aug, 1 2014 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: My_Reality


This is a total non-issue. The congress wants the Executive branch to enforce the laws Congress has passed. They want him to detain, process, and deport individuals crossing the border who bypass the immigration laws Congress has created. They want him to secure the southern border against the tidal wave of human beings bypassing those laws Congress has created regarding immigration.

Immigrant Surge Rooted in Law to Curb Child Trafficking

The law on the books is the reason why the immigrant minors from Honduras, Guatemala, and Ecuador are not being deported. Boehner and his cronies are now demanding Obama ignore Congress and the law and deport them.

What makes this comical is that Boehner undermined his lawsuit against the president for taking executive actions by then suggesting the president take executive action.



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