Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

Saudi Arabia Health Ministry: Man suspected of having Ebola dies in hospital in Jeddah - @SkyNewsBreak, @NBCNews

World Health Organization: Death toll from Ebola outbreak rises to 932; 45 deaths between Aug. 2 and 4 - @Reuters

a reply to: LrdRedhawk

Thanks for the story about Nigeria.

In logical terms, all trolls have no avatars, is not the same as, no avatar means always a troll.

I think there might be something to "trolls have no avatars".

Have any MSM said whether the outbreak is contained? Previously, in past outbreaks, there was a daily remark about containment. This time there seems to be a different vocabulary. Quarantine instead of containment.

a reply to: DirtyD

No, they couldn't. You are confusing what an airborne pathogen is.

The Flu is in your breath. Even light moisture escaping your lungs carries the Flu and infects everyone around you.

Ebola requires someone to sneeze or cough right onto you or for an extended period of time around you in order for you to breath in heavy aerosols. This was already known and your story is from 2012, so all that is well known today.

Pigs release tons of aerosols when they breath. Ever noticed a pigs non stop runny nose? It's how they keep particulates out of their lungs.

a reply to: FraggleRock

No. It is not a new strain in that it mutated from an existing strain. It is the same strain that has always existed in Guinea. They are saying that it is unique to guinea and probably evolved along side other strains of Ebola. It is not "new" per se, it was just newly discovered that the guinea strain is unique to itself but behaves identically to it's sisters.

a reply to: ~Lucidity

That was already covered. Two of the people in NYC had been to Cape Verde. They had the flu.

a reply to: Druid42

Why should we take you seriously when you don't even know that Virii isn't a word? It is Viruses...based on that alone I am assuming you are indeed very wrong. If you were even half informed on the matter that simple error would not have made it onto the page.

1) The strain did not mutate. Enough information from valid scientific websites has been linked to prove this definitively.

That's pretty much it. Please only post valid information to the thread and please take your doom porn somewhere else.

I have to wonder if this person in NY does in fact have ebola, the delay in testing and letting the public know is comical...it seems to me they just want the public to forget about it.

a reply to: 00nunya00

Just in case you missed your own quote:

In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated

a reply to: JG1993

It hasn't mutated. You are completely misunderstanding your source. Your source clearly says "Identical behavior" and "Evolved along side"

It isn't a mutated strain. It is a strain that seems to have always existed and was discovered back in April that it is slightly different but with identical behavior.

a reply to: JG1993

How can we take you seriously when you say Ebola is an airborne pathogen??? You obviously know nothing at all about this disease other than it kills people.

a reply to: Hilux1996

Nice source. They don't even know all 6 of the NYC people already tested negative...

And the guy who just had his blood sent off has already been deemed "Highly Unlikely" to have Ebola. Apparently the guy REQUESTED the test so the hospital complied.

It's another case of "I was in West Africa".

The media really should start saying specific countries, as West Africa is huge and is just freaking people out. However it seems like the Media is loving their panic inducers. If they keep freaking people who were in West Africa out, those people will keep going to the hospital requesting Ebola tests and then more stories to have people read/watch. There are a lot of Tourist Destinations in West Africa that are NOWHERE NEAR Ebola zones.

a reply to: raymundoko

Again,
trolls have no avatars
is not the same as
without avatar means troll.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

All government is based on fear.

Hopefully, this epidemic or outbreak will cause no further governmental capability. The fear mongering favors bigger government.

a reply to: loam

Hello Loam, very very good to see you as well.

Yes, as harried as the 2 woman at the counter seemed to me, they stated that the main reason for the confusion was only one lane of traffic was open for air traffic coming or going. This is strange as it is peak season for air travel.

Only one runway open?

a reply to: 00nunya00

Star for you, thanks for checking it out. So you say that there were no notable reports given to the GP for why all of the inbound and outbound planes were being either delayed, cancelled or diverted?

Interesting.

My meditation for the day was "Worry/anxiety" This being a technique for remaining at your center no matter what may come. Going with the flow as they say as all roads lead to the final destination.

Waiting for my flight to leave in just a few moments, an announcement came over the intercom that my flight would be delayed for another hour.

People who were packed in ready to board had stunned looks on their faces.

One harried couple a few minutes later began discussing how they were to meet their next flight with the delay.

I got up and took my ticket to the counter, set it down and asked the 2 ladies " What's up with this?" Now having a C ticket with no special attachments had no expectations.

The first lady lifted my ticket to look at and without looking up they both began fast talking as they typed and bounced off each other different routes I could take, arrival times, change overs etc., it was entertaining to say the least as I reminded myself of the daily meditation and surrendered to this moment in complete acceptance.

Finally, they handed me my new ticket which would allow me to reach my destination 2 hours earlier than expected with a direct flight. This new flight would leave in less than 10 minutes.

As I headed for the new gate, I heard the loud speaker asking for anyone on my new flight to give up their seat with the promise of 300 miles in the future.

This is all I know, but as a CTer, I could not help thinking something suspicious had happened and even toyed with the idea of the virus being part of this confusion.

As I flew, every cough and sneeze had me covering my mouth and thinking about incubation periods for Ebola.

Well it seems it is not just here that can not agree on this the pros them selfs are not seeing eye to eye either.
www.huffingtonpost.com...

from link...
But it is becoming clear that researchers working on these pathogens don't agree on how best to study these particularly dangerous viruses and two groups have now emerged with different views. The fear is that this could affect the fields of virology and microbiology as a whole and slow down the speed at which vaccines can be found or developed.

The research controversy

Controversy surrounds these pathogens because of potential lapses in safety, notably by the Centres for Disease Control (CDC), which admitted employees may have been exposed to anthrax more than once and the NIH, which found six vials of forgotten smallpox (along with other viruses) in a storage room.

a reply to: switchqm8

That has nothing to do with how Ebola behaves or how it is transmitted...that just has to do with safety...

a reply to: DirtyD

Except you can, which is why these tests are done. Scientists experiment with diseases on animals to determine how they effect humans. If the virus can transmit via airborne particles of saliva from pig to monkey, then it's reasonable to believe it may be able to do the same from human to human.

No, it is not reasonable to believe that.

It is reasonable to believe that it can be spread airborn from pig to human, since Ebola is a respiratory infection in pigs and they have shown it can by spread airborn to other primates.

But it is not reasonable at all to take from this research that it can be spread from human to human airborn....because it hasn't been shown that Ebola is respiratory in humans at all.

Define "other bodily fluids". Does saliva and mucous fall into the "other bodily fluids" category? If so, then like the Canadian experiment shows, a sneeze or cough could transmit the disease from person to person.

That is still droplet and not airborn.

I don't think you understand the basic difference between these two. For someone to be infected by someone who sneezes or coughs, they would have to sneeze or cough directly on them to where you feel the wetness with Ebola because you need to be in contact with the fluids...not just breath in air particles.

Size and scope is what matters most. If this was occurring in a remote African village there wouldn't be a 90+ page and growing thread about it, it would hardly be in the news, there would hardly be a concern outside the effected region. But for the first time -- EVER -- this thing is ravaging through cities, it is not slowing down, there is no strategy for containment, and in all likelihood it will land here in the U.S. -- for the first time ever!

And if it does, it will be dealt with. No reason to panic about it.

Although, it is still unlikely that it will land in the US due to how it is spread and the onset of symptoms. But if it does, it will be contained...I really have no worries about it.

Look at this way, when one kid died in Texas from swine flu the media went into full blown Defcon 1 panic mode. Now we have a highly contagious, lethal pathogen that has killed nearly a thousand people in Africa knocking on our doorstep, and all we hear is "don't worry, it's nothing to worry about". Sorry, but I can't help but be a little skeptical.

Are you kidding?

The media is the cause of all this silly panic. Yes, when they have credible doctors on their shows, they speak sense and reason and tell people they shouldn't be worrying or freaking out about this. But when the hosts talk about it (24 hours a day), they make sure to keep emphasizing that this is the worst outbreak and that there is Ebola in the US for the first time.

The media is totally making a big deal about this...and that is the actual problem.

a reply to: antar

Is this your first time flying out of Chicago?

Doesn't really matter if it was Midway or Ohare...they both experience delays almost daily because they are very busy hubs.