Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Destinyone

We are discussing ebola, and the ramifications of how, and when, and why it spreads. Not here to answer your repetitive questions.

Ebola: Ebola is a rare but deadly infection that causes bleeding inside and outside the body.

How is it Spread: By bodily fluids

When is it Spread: After patients are symptomatic, after patients die from the disease, and possibly for days after symptoms disappear.

Why is it Spread: Poor infectious disease protocols.

www.webmd.com...


Done...end of thread.

Everything else is simply doom porn.

I think you forgot just a few things. for example, it infected hundreds of people in western Africa this time. And, since they were humans that died, they also had families.
How are those families reacting to this outbreak?
How are others in the region reacting?
Are they openly offering information of themselves or other family members that may have symptoms, or is this information being hidden?
How many of these hidden cases have tried to leave the area?

It's no "doom porn" to ask these quite relevant questions. And, since the MSM are not asking questions such as this, it is certainly an area that demands others ask/investigate these (and other) unanswered questions.

Sorry to hear you already know all of this information, but are not willing to share your vast knowledge with the world.

originally posted by: netwarrior
a reply to: NavyDoc

I understand that you wouldnt want positive pressure of a suit containing an infectious patient. Any small pinhole would blast potentially infectious air out into the external environment. If the michelin man had gotten out of the ambulance i would already be running for the hills (or in my case, the deep swamp...im in that third world country called New Orleans

) instead of just watching to see *when* I need to start building the clean room.

My issue is why risk using the suit at all? The mere act of a patient egressing the ambulance under their own power is a terrible risk. A snag on the metal step, a slip, hell, even a twist in the wrong direction could tear a zipper and congratulations, we now have a containment breach. If it had been me in charge, Brantley would have been in the suit, zipped up nice and snug inside of a gurney-mounted containment tent, escorted by gloved/masked/goggled nurses in sufficient number to maintain control in case of loss of stability (i.e a gurney wheel shearing off) until Brantley was safely secured inside of the isolation room.

Given that Ebola is not airborne (yet--remember that the Reston version was) I'd be more concerned with fluid contamination over an air leak and that suit, even without an individual air supply would probably be enough. Not optimal, by any stretch, even for fluid borne level 4's you want complete isolation, but enough for the purposes of transport maybe.

I'm not pleased with the job I've seen so far. I don't believe it's malicious though.

NeveNever attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. ~ Hanlon.

It's pretty obvious these infected are test specimens. Not trying to troll here but it's not rocket science. 70 pages going over personal insecurities about the story does not make it true. It is a weird story indeed. To show him walking into the hospital is politics making it look like it's not a big deal. I am sure they shipped him back here and the woman, to study them how it effects men and women etc. Since this virus can hide in a man's semen for weeks after the sickness dissipates..

The irony is the American or Mainstream media for that matter did not care about the Ebola, epidemic until AMERICANS contracted it, now its plastered all over the cable news networks, all of a sudden donation and financial aid is being sent to the infected countries.

Africa, never seems to ever get good press.. I suppose the debate will next be whether or not it can be considered a global pandemic, don't bother answering me, I will be leaving after I post this, I mean in general. Mortality rate is about 60 give or take, cdc is studying this right now as I am typing this. No one is confirming or non confirming who are specialist in this plague crap on whether its air born or not. Because of how fast it is spreading in Africa, it is suspect. Again this is a new strain. So with a mortality rate of about 60 percent or so, we can lose quite a few billion if it gets scary. Yet the argument is their is a cure for Ebola at least in Monkeys made up in canada or something CURE

So even if this gets pandemic status they will lower the mortality rate if they made a vaccine.

Yet I would not wish Ebola, on my worst enemy. Yet what are the side effects of this vaccine? Looks like its being tested on these two specimens and they are for sure being observed.

Just surprised they waited until Americans contracted the Ebola, and they used it on them not the Africans..

I mean that just has a bigotry accent to its tone..

I think all will be ok, its going to be the next outbreak that we have to worry about I think, this is starting to sound like just how the swine flu started allot of hype on the forums, etc.

It's going to be ok..

originally posted by: Bicent76. Since this virus can hide in a man's semen for weeks after the sickness dissipates..

Where did you get that?

a reply to: NavyDoc
I'm not a doc but i was premed (didn''t flunk just got broke) does that count?

May be the real doctor left the plane at Bangor to do the tests and more importantly harvesting the monoclonal immunoglobulin specific for the virus and then replicating it industrially by huge fridgelike warm incubators of bacteria implanted with Ig.
He was sent there by Rockefeller purse to Liberia armed with experimantal medicine from California company.

a reply to: NavyDoc

jid.oxfordjournals.org...

a reply to: NavyDoc

Under section II where it states it was transmitted through semen 7 weeks after clinical recovery.

COMMUNICABILITY: Communicable as long as blood, secretions, organs, or semen contain the virus. Ebola virus has been isolated from semen 61 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery (1, 2).

link

a reply to: adnanmuf
Ig or IgG?

Any person show up with the symptoms means he's been shedding the virus for days before that.and he will be shedding the virus abundantly for up to 22 days after he recover (although recover is anomaly since the recovered are the Magic Seven. But even if he dies he continue to shed the virus to critters of the grave.

They might harvest Ig M??? In addition to IgG. God knows what Ig they will harvest.

a reply to: adnanmuf
Dude you gotta get a better bablefish. Magic Seven? Critters of the grave?

This Ebola outbreak, the deadliest in HISTORY, still has claimed less then 900 victims.. since April. But this outbreak has probably been simmering quite a bit longer, it just went unrecognized. The media will play up Ebola because it is gruesome, and has a high kill % but there are many, much, much more dangerous pathogens out there, just waiting for their opportunity, they're just not sexy to the media because you don't bleed out of every orifice.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
May be the real doctor left the plane at Bangor

This one specific sentence fragment is your first real gem contributed to this thread, and it's interesting because landing in Bangor to then be transported to the much-closer-than-Atlanta "National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratory" in Boston (another Level 4 facility) [EDIT: looks like the building is still under construction, but maybe US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) in MD instead? Still much closer] makes more sense than going all the way to Maine and then Atlanta instead of directly to Hartsfield airport (which planes from Africa do every day). ATL has a robust customs unit, so I'm not buying the "refueling and customs inspection" argument for landing at Bangor that's coming from the officials.

Perhaps he really is in Maryland, and ATL is a red herring for safety precautions (terrorist attack on the hospital, insane people, protests, etc).

ETA: it also explains why the crew left the plane. No other good reason for that. Maybe he really is walking, and maybe he walked off the plane looking like all the other hazmatted crew; no one would know the difference.

a reply to: Bicent76

Thank you for posting. You brought a new bit of unknown, to me at least info to the thread. The ramifications of ebola still being able to be spread via semen, up to 7 weeks after abatement of all other symptoms are gone...is a scary thought.

I would have thought, once a patient is showing all signs of having survived ebola, and appears all clear....there is that hidden second chance way to pass it to another person. It just blows my mind.

Des

Where is Bangor and what's in it
I hope so. Since the good doc supposed to be shedding for 20 more days.

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