Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

a reply to: paxnatus
I have worked in a level 2 trauma for now, going on my 13th year, in a Neuroscience ICU.

Not that that matters. This is a highly publicized topic both in, and outside the healtcare industry.

I have not "thrown everyone" under any bus. I am just being honest.

A simple look at statistics, such as the ones I mentioned for MRSA, or handwashing statistics, will bear out the truth behind what I said.

It has nothing to do with where I work. It is fact all over. People break protocol everywhere.

Currently, 85 percent of MRSA infections are healthcare associated; MRSA accounts for 60 percent of all staphylococcal infections. At least 58 percent of MRSA infections originate in the
community but are healthcare associated. The death rate, length of stay, and cost of treating patients with MRSA are more than double
other hospital admissions.

www.aaos.org...


www.mayoclinic.org...

Most MRSA infections occur in people who've
been in hospitals or other health care settings,
such as nursing homes and dialysis centers.
When it occurs in these settings, it's known as
health care-associated MRSA (HA-MRSA). HA-MRSA infections typically are associated with
invasive procedures or devices, such as
surgeries, intravenous tubing or artificial joints.

More than 50% of healthy persons have Staphylococcus aureus
living in or on their nasal passages, throats, hair, or skin.

www.cdc.gov...

Firstly, perhaps a little honesty is what is needed on this topic.

Secondly, several articles have stated the doctor and aid worker became infected during the decontamination process, which can only mean they contacted an infected surface, and infected themselves. Unless, of course, you wish to buy into unproven hysteria the virus is airborne, and the public is being lied to.

Attacking me, my level of intellect, or level or skill at my job has no bearing on the topic. I didn't have to answer you, but I did. You are not supposed to ask other users for personal information.

This information is freely, and publically available from the CDC and other public service websites. I am not making it up, or throwing anyone under any bus, or minimalizing healthcare workers in any way.

Facts are facts, like it or not.


If MRSA is being spread so easily in the healthcare setting, along with other well known contagions, such as VRE, etc., it only stands to reason it is very possible for other contagions to spread this way as well.


In particular when it is proclaimed to have been the mode of transmission to the very people this thread is about.

Not me. Remember that. Not ME.

a reply to: adnanmuf

Is only one reason, the government or whomever allowed the disease to come to America pay a lot of money to do just that, the outcome an epidemic in our nation, the first ever on ebola.

There are two Ebolas one American Atlanta area a safe disease been around for decades. And there is the EBOLA of west Africa which is a totally diffent animal!!!!

a reply to: adnanmuf

I love when people bring up the CDC. LOVE IT.

I'm the CDC:
Arsenic > Fluoride > Lead

Guess which one we still happily pump into our public water supply
(and always have; our generation((S)) didn't stand a chance)

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: adnanmuf
...the outcome an epidemic in our nation, the first ever on ebola.

AMERIKA.
WE'VE WON 2 WORLD WARS & WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO CLAIM THE #1 SPOT OF DEADLIEST PLAGUE AWAY FROM THOSE DARNED BRITS!

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: adnanmuf

Is only one reason, the government or whomever allowed the disease to come to America pay a lot of money to do just that, the outcome an epidemic in our nation, the first ever on ebola.

They them had us done. We are had. The burrito is in

originally posted by: adnanmuf
There are two Ebolas one American Atlanta area a safe disease been around for decades. And there is the EBOLA of west Africa which is a totally diffent animal!!!!

You're gonna have to learn to use Google Translate better, or provide an English-language source of this info. I have no idea what you're trying to say. There's an "American ebola"? That's news to all of us.

a reply to: 00nunya00
Thank you, you made the only point that I have been trying to make.

No one is perfect. And that is the truth of the matter, and the most frightening aspect of this whole entire topic.

While some may profess to be, it's not realistic. We are all human, and is evidenced by the very patients being brought here, they made mistakes, too.

a reply to: 00nunya00

I believe there is actually five known strains..

Quick reference:

en.m.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Libertygal
a reply to: 00nunya00

I believe there is actually five known strains..

Quick reference:

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Yeah, but none of those could be considered an "American" strain, even if samples are stored in the US. To claim there's an "American strain" is ridiculous (until, of course, the good doctor spreads it here and it mutates into a different strain, joking/notjoking). There are only African strains, hence them all being named after the places they broke out/were identified. Seems like fear-mongering by the poster of that info, IMHO.

Fears raised over airborne Ebola transmission

Science / 18 November 12 / by Duncan Geere

Microbiologists from Canada have shown that the deadly Ebola virus could be transmitted between species without direct contact.
...
It's thought that the monkeys may have caught the virus by inhaling tiny droplets suspended in the air from the pigs' respiratory tracts. "What we suspect is happening is large droplets -- they can stay in the air, but not long, they don't go far," explained Gary Kobinger from Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory, to the BBC.

"But they can be absorbed in the airway and this is how the infection starts, and this is what we think, because we saw a lot of evidence in the lungs of the non-human primates that the virus got in that way," he added.
...

www.wired.co.uk...


BTW, the CDC also gives warnings to be cautious not only of direct contact with a person infected, but also droplet precaution, alongside aerosol-generating procedures.

Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in U.S. Hospitals
...
Key Components of Standard, Contact, and Droplet Precautions Recommended for Prevention of EHF Transmission in U.S. Hospitals
...
•Avoid AGPs for Ebola HF patients.
•If performing AGPs, use a combination of measures to reduce exposures from aerosol-generating procedures when performed on Ebola HF patients.
...

www.cdc.gov...

a reply to: 00nunya00

Agreed. Just taking into consideration English may not be their primary language, possibly.

Yeah, and joking/not joking, too.

a reply to: Libertygal

Funny enough, my brother got a MRSA infection on his liver-transplant wound (it stays open for like months after surgery, you just have to let the skin and muscles grow in naturally and cover it with gauze the best you can). But that was the least of their worries when it came to his recovery, and when I asked about it, he said "meh, it's no big deal, just MRSA, it's totally common." And in the end, the MRSA went away, while the fungal infection on his heart that prevented a re-transplant was what killed him. Sometimes, the "salad" is more dangerous than the infection.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Thanks for posting this. Up until recently, the Canada source was the only one available. The CDC had refused to say anything about airborne, and I believe they still call it "unproven", yet, you notice the helmetted hazmat suits and the negative pressure room they claim, "isn't really needed".

Wow. So either out of an abunadance of caution, or, they are lying.

That's always a consideration to be made.

Thanks again. I had read that this morning.

originally posted by: Libertygal
a reply to: 00nunya00

Agreed. Just taking into consideration English may not be their primary language, possibly.

Yeah, and joking/not joking, too.

LOL, exactly why I asked for a better translation. People have gone into their bug-out shelters over less. That's one of the issues here; people have interpreted a footnote numbered "23" as an indication it can survive outside the body for 23 days. Serious doom-porn there, and totally unwarranted. A completely understandable mistake, but mistakes are our #1 enemy in this situation.

a reply to: 00nunya00

It depends on the patient. Some people that aquire MRSA have lost limbs, some have lost all of their limbs, and some have died from it. So, your mileage may vary.

That is exactly the issue. It should never be treated lightly, as you cannot predict how someones' immune system may respond.

I knew of a someone who got a relatively minor back surgery. They got MRSA, hospital aquired, in the spine. It entered the brain, and they got meningitis and nearly died. Had three strokes, and after brain surgery, which placed a bone flap in the abdomen to reduce pressure on the brain and allow for swelling, they got MRSA in the abdomen.

They then lost almost all of their intestines, and will wear a colostomy bag for life.

That barely holds a candle to the fact that the brain damage and spinal damage, and damge from strokes left them almost totally paralyzed and barely able to speak, and almost totally blind.

MRSA is a nasty bugger, in some instances, and hardly something that should be brushed off.

Some people may fight it. Others, not so much.

Ebola RESTON is the American Ebola. It's not in vials

a reply to: Libertygal

Totally. Just like the flu; most people recover completely, and some die. I was shocked, after learning about MRSA, that that wasn't what did my brother in. Depressed-immune-system and all. The anesthesia team wouldn't sign off for the re-transplant because of the fungal infection on his heart, nothing to do with MRSA or any other disease (side note: if your loved one is on anti-fungals after a transplant, don't let them get off the anti-fungals or any other drug without monitoring their anti-rejection drug blood levels daily. THAT is what ultimately led to the rejection episode; the anti-fungal raised the level of blood absorption of his anti-rejection meds, and when he got off the anti-fungal, he was basically not taking as much anti-rejection as he needed, then felt like he had the flu for two weeks, but in reality it was a rejection episode).

We all fight off infections in different ways; hopefully this outbreak of ebola will allow us to finally isolate the natural resistance to infection, and we can eliminate threads like this. Hopefully, ebola will become just the next flu that makes you go to the doc for pills. But we are living out the "ground zero" for that cure, just as flu and pox victims did before us. Fingers crossed.

originally posted by: adnanmuf
Ebola RESTON is the American Ebola. It's not in vials

Citation needed. Reston only exists in level-4 labs, AFAIK, and has never been identified in any living host in the US. Please back up this claim with evidence.

Anyone had a cold lately?

Recall maybe how easy mucus spreads...

pretty. damn. mucusy.