Ebola Patient in Atlanta Hospital

originally posted by: NoAngel2u
I've been wondering when someone was going to bring this up. I found this a couple of weeks ago.

who virus survival report

It was a long read, My eyes are just too fatigued to read over it again and provide some quotes. Hopefully someone with freshers eyes than mine will do it.

epidemics are self limiting because viruses or germs die in their own piss!
and epidemic does not last forever untill everybody gets immunity. it only last 2 or 3 time curves, for unknown reasons or just because they die in their own piss.

as for mutation the mutation is a mistake that happens because environment is not perfect.
mutation rate increases when the virus is in stressful situation for a prolonged period of time.
like exposure to radioactive, or staying in a toxic environment like the Pig's belly.

mutations could go both ways, good or bad (depending on who is looking at it)
to have a more virulent strain is mostly done in lab (very advanced technology and science like top 5 superpowers )

Pig eating everything encounter all possible germs who find a place to live in their bellies.

that is why Pig is considered alternative reservoire. so if ebola have only one natural reservoire the bat since infinity, the new invasive species the pig also is an alternative reservoire for any given germ as long the pig live in the area of the natural reservoire, or even away from the natural reservoire if the trash that pig eat is imported from far away (like the germ is fish from Japan found in pigs billy)

since germs live in pigs belly (not infecting ) all kind of garbage and their toxins are dumped on the virus making the virus making more mutations because of the stress that make the dna mistake (mutation increase) so that the dna doubling could be made in a deadline like time.

the time curve unable to materialize in current outbreak of 2014 comparing with previous outbraks means different strains inoclated even different first case in different times.

Death toll over 1000.

Ebola outbreak: Liberia quarantines third province

The World Health Organisation (WHO) reports that more than 1,000 people have died during the Ebola outbreak, which it described as an “international health emergency”.

link

a reply to: reletomp

Viruses die in there own p**s? Really?

Must have missed that bit out at university.

Experimental Ebola drug on its way to Liberia

The government of Liberia says that sample doses of the experimental Ebola drug ZMapp will be sent there to treat doctors who have contracted the deadly virus.

The White House and Food and Drug Administration approved the Liberian request for the drug to be made available to them.

Hope they are making ALOT more.

The company that makes ZMapp said earlier Monday that its supply of the drug was exhausted after fulfilling the request of a West African nation, which it did not name.

[Original story, published 8:55 a.m.]

A World Health Organization panel is convening Monday to discuss the ethics of using experimental medicine to fight the Ebola outbreak in West Africa.

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originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: reletomp

Viruses die in there own p**s? Really?

Must have missed that bit out at university.

I really don't understand how a banned member can reincarnate and continue to post as if they are a medical specialist, complete crap.

Never a link to back up any outrageous claims, except wiki. Just keeps writing walls of gobbeldy gook text on ebola.

I really hope no one reading that reincarnated person's posts as fact, when dealing with such a deadly disease.

Des

a reply to: Destinyone

You Guys are doing a great job! I thought we might
be hearing some updates by now. I wonder how the
patients are doing, better or worse?

I was wondering if that was the same person posting
as the wording is just about the same & as well as no
bloody clue.

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: Ektar

Hi Ektar. No updates on condition of Dr. Brantley and Nurse Nancy today, that I know of.

But there was a major panic moment when someone hacked into Yahoo's news account, and posted there were 145 people with ebola in Atlanta.

Thank goodness it was only a hacker, it made the MSM news. Yahoo took it down as soon as they were alerted to it.

Why do people do sick things like that. I'll never understand. It's like yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Des

originally posted by: Destinyone

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: reletomp

Viruses die in there own p**s? Really?

Must have missed that bit out at university.

I really don't understand how a banned member can reincarnate and continue to post as if they are a medical specialist, complete crap.

Never a link to back up any outrageous claims, except wiki. Just keeps writing walls of gobbeldy gook text on ebola.

I really hope no one reading that reincarnated person's posts as fact, when dealing with such a deadly disease.

Des

they really do!
when germs are put on a plate of ox blood and then wormed in the incubator they keep growing day by day until one day you open the incubator-warmer and they all dead.

any living thing a cell or a human produce its death by time material called apoptosisapoptosis-self limiting. they are inescapable part of life.

an epidemic can not grow exponentally. the death compaounds increase with the increase of living material. epidemics have their own internal clock. they flare together then a break then flare again (second curve) then they flare a third time (third curve) then there is no fouth curve.
they continue to live in their reservoire the bat or alternative resrvoire the pig, for next time after a year or several years for the next epidemic.

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infectious disease emergence and global shrinking world australia study


as like farm chicken, humans in a shrinking world "transportation added contact", will benefit ebola.
ebola will die off if every body stayed home for 22 days "military roaming the streets in liberia preventing people to leave their houses for just 22 days will solve the problem..no cars no buses no taxi no people walking outside homes !"

highly pathogenic avian flue HPAI seems less common in small than in large flocks of chickens, ...
Extremely rapid host mortality is likely to result in a self-limiting epidemic, especially for pathogens which are not infectious until hosts are symptomatic. This is not the case for influenza, which as mentioned can be effectively transmitted when symptoms are either minor or have not appeared. ...
In industrial farms, however, sometimes called Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs), evolutionary factors may alter this calculus [83,104]. If there is a very large number of immunologically naive hosts (e.g., birds) that can be infected, and which are in close proximity, then a pathogen that causes rapid infection may be favoured, even if it causes death – as long as there are sufficient other vulnerable hosts which can, in turn, be infected before the original host dies. That is, the evolutionary penalty for pathogens that kill rapidly is lesser, even if they kill the host. Indeed, slower acting pathogens may be at a disadvantage...

pathogens die in their own pissself-limiting in biology

Goodness, Okay I just skipped a head. I got sick of that retarded forever long debate of airborne vs aerosol. Sheesh. Its been a day, I was getting irritated. And ya know, whether if its not aereosol or airborne (yet) The CDC advised that whild treating infected patients

HCP should wear gloves, a gown, disposable shoe covers, and either a face shield that fully covers the front and sides of the face or goggles, and respiratory protection that is at least as protective as a NIOSH certified fit-tested N95 filtering facepiece respirator or higher (e.g., powered air purifying respiratory or elastomeric respirator) during aerosol generating procedures.

www.cdc.gov...

And i swear that on the day that it was first posted it said "Droplet Precautions" but I don't see it in this updated version, I could just be overlooking it.

Anywho. A little extra precaution has never hurt anyone. I know If ebola were to hit the US, I'd be rocking a medical mask. Perhaps even roll down the street it a plastic bubble, like a big blonde hamster hah

This is just a random thought, I don't think it's a huge threat, but there are immense protocols for infected patients. Is there a protocol for their sewage?? "Dr. Brantley " If that was him, walked into Emory. So i suppose he can walk to the bathroom? Does his sewage, vomit, etc go the same way as everyone elses? I know when I was in the hospital, my heart wouldn't allow me to use the bathroom, I couldn't figure out how to use a bed pan and refused to use it, and I didn't trust it. So they had to bring a nice little seat toilet to my bed side, and then they would dump it in the toilet afterwards. Of course I was in the ICU, not level four containment isolation. So I'm just wondering if theres a #1 and #2 protocol

a reply to: paxnatus
Thank you Pax! That was most helpful and very sweet of you


I think I better prep my system just in case!

a reply to: crazyewok

Thank you! Where is your friend NavyDoc at? lol he can check me over any day. Rawr!

lol but no, seriously. I am paitently waiting for some medical concern to pop up some where. Its just been confirmed that West Nile is in the next county, I'm just waiting to see where this ebola thing goes, wondering if terrorists are pondering the magical possibilities. Or seeing if something lovely is gonna creep over the border. We got like 60 immigrant unaccompanied minors. (actually we get a large influx of our southern neighbors. I can't see whats so attractive about a state where you have to cross state lines to get good beer) Haha. But I feel like the government is prepping, So I better get my medical health up to specs while I still have two health insurances.

Really though, so convenient that a week or so after Brantley and Writebol arrived, we already (Or UK) I should say has a vaccine for 2015... How long have they been sitting on this? yes wait till its a global panic, and then release it. Good marketing..

Also thinking, and who in their right mind would bring two infectious individuals into the country and announce the location to the world? Is there an increased police or some sort of security presence at Emory? Makes much more sense to fly them in during the middle of the night and hole them up at Usamriid. But that just me.

one page back

lots of other stuff too to be found in the thread



I'm going to cross post this and if I get mod-slapped, so be it.

A pregnant woman who went for her usual check up at the First Consultant Hospital Obalande – same hospital that Patrick Sawyer was admitted – tested positive of the virus on Friday. She got infected after being treated by the same nurse, Obi Justina Ejelonu, who attended to the Liberian carrier, Patrick Sawyer.

Recall that two nurses came in direct contact with Mr. Sawyer and one of them died last week – the other nurse, Justina is still alive. The pregnant woman has since been quarantined at the mainland hospital where there is an isolation emergency centre for Ebola virus victims.

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If she (the infected nurse) was showing symptoms, how is it that she was able to perform her duties?

How many other people did she infect?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical awe crap loL I was on page 100 and was getting irritated. This is what happens when I skip ahead. Sorry everyone!

a reply to: Asherz189

Oh and for how long they've been sitting in this?

I'm not sure but you might want to don your tin hat for this post.

USAMRIID has their fngers all over this.

I bet all this blows over.

There's more pages in this thread than total western victims.

Stay calm, stock up on natural anti-virals, and get some sun. Vit D has anti-viral properties too.

Apparently the Spanish priest has died of the disease even with the ZMAPP treatment. Violet has done a thread on it here: Spanish Priest with Ebola has Died