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Presidential assassinations?

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posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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I know this may sound odd, but I wonder why it doesn't happen more often, atleast a group of people hate every president, but not enough to take action or what? What is the reasoning for this? It's a miracle to me that GW Bush is still alive.



edit to modify title to something less... alarming
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posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 03:54 PM
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Wouldn`t gain anything except the probable end of your life and a few people near you when the Secret Service open up



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by weirdo
Wouldn`t gain anything except the probable end of your life and a few people near you when the Secret Service open up


You would gain the presidents death lol, and who would be dumb enough to shoot the president from up close where the SS can see you?



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by White_Devil

Originally posted by weirdo
Wouldn`t gain anything except the probable end of your life and a few people near you when the Secret Service open up


You would gain the presidents death lol, and who would be dumb enough to shoot the president from up close where the SS can see you?



Didn`t do much for lee harvey oswald nobody believes he did it
didn`t do him much good.Killing the Presidant would alieante your cause and bring the end of the organisation you belong or believed in.If you were a lone nutter trying to gain fame chances are you wouldn`t succeed due to lack of training,expertise.



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 04:02 PM
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as posted by White_Devil
You would gain the presidents death lol, and who would be dumb enough to shoot the president from up close where the SS can see you?


History can answer your question quite well.
Hinckley?
Booth?


BTW, you advocating or really just wondering?



seekerof



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 04:09 PM
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Advocating assassinating the president? Lol, no, I am just wondering why it hasn't happened more, I mean there have been some really hated presidents,

why was kennedy assassinated in the first place?



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 04:12 PM
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There are many 'possible' reasons that could be associated to 'why' Kennedy was removed.
Reasons why John F. Kennedy was assassinated



seekerof



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 08:25 PM
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I think the bottom line with JFK is, he refused to kiss a few heinies here and there. Some say it's because he wanted to do away with the Federal Reserve bank, some say Vietnam was a motive.

When it comes right down to it, he ticked off some organization or another, and they took him out. That's the common theme in all these theories.



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Amethyst
I think the bottom line with JFK is, he refused to kiss a few heinies here and there. Some say it's because he wanted to do away with the Federal Reserve bank, some say Vietnam was a motive.

When it comes right down to it, he ticked off some organization or another, and they took him out. That's the common theme in all these theories.


JFK's ideas were too revolotionary. He would have changed the world. Martin Luther's "dream" would have been realized sooner because of the policies of JFK, income disparity would have been changed. He was an aristocrat hated by aristocrats. No longer would the wealthy have retained their wealth while oppressing the working class. Too many powerful people hated JFK because he was a threat to their power, and their famiy's power.
That is the main reason he was assasinated---cause he was a threat to powerful people, he wanted true equality. Equality where working people could move up through the social hierarchy. The reasons are obvious. The mastermind behind it was a powerful person. Intelligently indirectly choreographed, not everyone on the motorcade knew, probably only the main person, they pulled strings, swayed ideas, and thus indirectly choreographed his assasination.



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 11:34 PM
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Soon after the American Revolution, John Robinson, a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University in Scotland and member of a Freemason lodge, said that he was asked to join the Illuminati. After studying the group, he concluded that the purposes of the Illuminati were not compatible with his beliefs.

In 1798, he published a book called "Proofs Of A Conspiracy," which states:

"An association has been formed for the express purpose of rooting out all the religious establishments and overturning all the existing governments.... The leaders would rule the World with uncontrollable power, while all the rest would be employed as tools of the ambition of their unknown superiors."

"Proofs of A Conspiracy" was sent to George Washington. Responding to the sender of the book with a letter, President Washington said he was well aware of the Illuminati presence in America. He wrote that the Illuminati had "diabolical tenets" and that their object was "a separation of the People from their government."

The decades following the JFK assassination have been marked by increasing cynicism and disillusionment among the American people towards a government which acts as an elite, aloof institution at the disposal of powerful forces both seen and unseen. Washington's prophecy of "a separation of the People from their government" has come to fulfillment. As the glaciers of a contrived Cold War melt down, our "government" is steadily militarizing and expanding its police powers, turning away from foreign targets of aggression to focus on domestic "insurrection." Although the foundation of this conspiracy has been under construction for centuries, the poisoned fruits of these labors burst into bloom on that dark day in Dealey Plaza 33 years ago.

www.parascope.com...



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 11:47 PM
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Firstly, an assassination is extremely difficult to carry off. The Secret Service goes to great lengths and expense to make sure of that. This includes, by the way, investigation of every nutty letter that comes in, or phone calls or emails, that appear to be threatening. Secondly, give people some credit. The vast majority of us are law abiding, peaceable sorts, and its one thing to grumble and "hate" the President, but its quite another thing to contemplate doing harm. I happen to think that it would be a very rare person who would contemplate a serious attempt. Its not a miracle at all that Bush is alive. Don't forget, a majority did vote for him.



posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 12:13 AM
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Some leaders are better protected than others, it would be difficult for a private individual to carry it off. But a huge intelligence organisation might try and succeed.

But there is one very good reason not to. It is too easy ! There are bound to be reprisals, and that might not be good if you were a leader and ordered the assassination of another leader.

The Mafia have known this for years. Do in the Godfather and his seven sons will come after you and your whole family, even if it takes twenty years. If a Godfather is REALLY bad, his own family might arrange his passing, and that is a different matter entirely.

JFK was a special case, because he was murdered by powerful insiders, and they had sufficient influence to silence anyone and everyone. Since that time, every President has been on notice to do what he is told.



posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 12:20 AM
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The Secret Service goes to great lengths and expense to make sure of that.


The Secret Service is a very serious group, and rightfully so. Watching the campaign process, it became clear that the secret service were taking no chances. We're at war right now, so I'm sure they've been using every available resource. Nothing has happened because they're doing their jobs.

MK



posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 12:29 AM
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Well, its not for a lack or want. the whitehouse gets thousands of death threats every year against the president from Americans alone.

And there are plenty of people who plot or try to plot to kill the president.

However, to pull it off, the plotters must be nothing less than extremely clever professionals who have inside info or contacts. Since most plots come from less than effective and poorly organized persons, they are easily foiled, and security around presidets is pretty high.

But its not like we havent had a fair number of assasinations and attempts.



posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 12:32 AM
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I know this may sound odd, but I wonder why it doesn't happen more often,


More often? Did you know that there have been 4 successful assassinations and I believe 8 failed attempts?
Out of 43 Presidents thats a pretty high rate.


Failed attempts:

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Andrew Jackson:
January 30, 1835: At the Capitol Building, Richard Lawrence misfired twice, once within 13 feet and once at point-blank range. Lawrence was found not guilty by reason of insanity, and confined to a mental institution until his death in 1861.
Theodore Roosevelt:
October 13, 1912: No longer president, Roosevelt was running for the Progressives. In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, John Schrank shot Roosevelt once with a revolver. A thick, folded, prepared speech in Roosevelt's breast pocket slowed the bullet. Roosevelt insisted on giving his speech with the bullet still lodged inside him. He later went to the hospital, but the bullet was never removed. Schrank said that the ghost of William McKinley had told him to avenge his assassination. Schrank was found legally insane and was institutionalized until his death in 1943.
Franklin D. Roosevelt:
February 15, 1933 (one month before being sworn in): In Miami, Florida, Giuseppe Zangara fired 5 shots at Roosevelt's motorcade. Four people were wounded and the mayor of Chicago, Anton Cermak, was killed. Zangara was found guilty of murder and executed March 20.
Harry S. Truman:
November 1, 1950: In Washington, D.C., Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola ambushed the Blair House where Truman was residing temporarily. Torresola was killed by guards and Collazo was wounded. Collazo was found guilty of murder, assault and attempted assassination of the president. He was sentenced to death. Truman reduced the sentence to life in prison. Jimmy Carter freed Collazo in 1979.
Richard Nixon:
February 22, 1974: Samuel S. Byck planned to kill Nixon by crashing a commercial airliner into the White House. Once on the plane, he was informed that it could not take off with the wheel blocks still in place. He shot the pilot and copilot before killing himself.
Gerald Ford:
September 5, 1975: In Sacramento, California, Lynette Fromme, a disciple of Charles Manson, drew a revolver on Ford when he reached to shake her hand in a crowd. There were no bullets in the gun. Fromme was sentenced to life in prison, where she remains.
September 22, 1975: In San Francisco, California, Sara Jane Moore fired a revolver at Ford from 40 feet away. The shot missed Ford because a bystander grabbed Moore's arm. Moore was sentenced to life in prison.
Ronald Reagan:
March 30, 1981: John Hinckley, Jr., fired six shots at Reagan in Washington, D.C. One bullet ruptured Reagan's lung and lodged close to his heart. Another bullet entered the brain of press secretary James Brady. A policeman and an secret service agent were also critically wounded. Hinckley was found not guilty by reason of insanity. He remains in St. Elizabeth's Hospital in Washington. Beacause Ronald Regan survived the assassination attempt, he became the first president elected in a year ending with a zero since 1820 to survive and finish his term.

Successful assassinations:
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Four American presidents have died from assassins' bullets. In 1865 John Wilkes Booth killed Abraham Lincoln; Charles Guiteau killed James Garfield in 1881; and in 1901 Leon Czolgosz killed William McKinley. John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963 allegedly by Lee Harvey Oswald



posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by AlexofSkye
Firstly, an assassination is extremely difficult to carry off. The Secret Service goes to great lengths and expense to make sure of that. This includes, by the way, investigation of every nutty letter that comes in, or phone calls or emails, that appear to be threatening. Secondly, give people some credit. The vast majority of us are law abiding, peaceable sorts, and its one thing to grumble and "hate" the President, but its quite another thing to contemplate doing harm. I happen to think that it would be a very rare person who would contemplate a serious attempt. Its not a miracle at all that Bush is alive. Don't forget, a majority did vote for him.


I have to disagree with everything you say lol. Firstly an assassination is not difficult to carry off when well planned. No matter what lengths the Secret Service goes to it is easy for anyone to pass up simple things> Such as Hand Shakes, Drinks,Food and News Reporters lol ext ext(many other simple ways of assassination) ... There is plenty of crazy people. I have seen many of message boards with the crazy people contemplating doing it or at least mention it as here. It is a miracle that Bush is alive when all this is against him. And no, the majority did NOT vote for him. We are just conditioned to think that.


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posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 02:32 AM
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The last thing you do if you want to assasinate someone is plan and disscus it.If you wanted to kill someone as powerful and well protected as the Presidant you just think of something and go and do it straight away.You are not likely to get away with it with your life so no point trying to escape.It would be a suicide mission and to succeed you need lots and lots of luck on your side.
No piont looking for a good area to sniper him as the SS would have all the areas that would give a good arc would be covered.SS reasearch all the areas before a President is Moved around and any that are vunerable are covered or a differant route is choosen.You would have to have there knowledge and expertise to carryout an assasination succesfully.The people with that kind of knowledge are well watched.



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