“There is a war coming in Europe”

History will repeat itself. Maybe not exact, but pretty darn close!

a reply to: glend

And more importantly at 11.17 he states the

"the wars in Europe are the means of their economic miracle, their own prosperity, its also a war against China"

With the coming financial collapse of the $US dollar and a bankrupt US economy...its not difficult to see the USA geopolitical chess pieces moving into the endgame

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Europes can't even suppress a bunch of Poppy growers in central Asia after ten long years of trying.

Thats because the CIA now control it. Where do you think the Black Budget Ops money comes from...duh?
Drugs make their way to the US by military planes. Body bags stuffed with drugs.

originally posted by: stirling
The bankers want it........The corporations want it.....the elite want it....itll surely happen....

You know, interesting. I am not one to talk about dreams and prophetic feelings. But about two weeks ago I had an incredibly vivid lucid dream wherein my son and I were desperately packing food and water in a bag to flee while air or artillery strikes were hitting the city we were in. Then we were on a road with a ton of refugees or citizens also fleeing during all of this.

The only other time that I had this vivid of a dream about war was right before we went invaded Afghanistan post-911.

"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men that refuse military service."-Albert Einstein

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: stirling
The bankers want it........The corporations want it.....the elite want it....itll surely happen....

The People?

Don't want it.

What if someone held a war and no one showed up?

Peace

originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: smurfy
The UK is a maverick in some respects and actually gets away with not implementing much of what the rest of the EU is already doing from many basic things, right up to high office by default.

Oh really? Then why is it the UK follows Brussels diktats to the letter, yet in places like France, they still have state run industries despite us in the UK having privatised all of ours at the behest of the EU to "increase competition", only to have those privatised industries bought up by the state-owned monopolies of France and Germany?

Maggie did most of the privatising, she sold the silver, but there's not much you can do about that now. However even now, there is talk surprisingly enough, by the present government here about re-nationalising some parts of the rail system, and Spain also has a major part of their rail system public run.
The UK government still struggles with discriminatory convention in Parliament.
Then the so-called minor non-implemented things, like road networks up to a standard, the scheme for farmers for hard standing at gates for cleaning their farm/road vehicles. Over here the B roads, (and there are plenty) are awash with slurry, dirt, stones, horse poo and destroyed verges from oversized farm vehicles, blah blah.
Anyway all that's besides the point. The truth is here, that our stupid governments were interfering in the east long before all this current crisis.

Most people have very little historical knowledge. Most people don't have the interest or time to research international affairs and history and come to independent realizations of these issues.

Hence, the rely on the mainstream media and leaders for their info.

Because those are extremely biased and virtually propaganda, this is why people just go along. They don't know any different.

originally posted by: DarknStormy

originally posted by: ColCurious

originally posted by: Bassago
The question is what is the real motive?

Let me add the "great devide".

- ensure the west is welded together against Russia as the clear external enemy
- isolate BRICS
- protect the US-led economic hegemony and the supremacy of the U$D as the global reserve currency.

It's always about the monetary hegemony.

They pulled the same sh*t on Germany in WW1.. This is nothing new. It amazes me how people keep falling for it.

For you yankees, that haven't had total war on your turf for a couple of centuries (and as such have really forgotten what atrocity it is, and not just on TV shows), I'll let you in on a secret:

NO country/station/nation powerful enough in Europe (+ Russia) wants a war.

None.

We've tried it. It was massacre. Didn't work. For any of the nations.

Yes, it worked for the bankers and some individuals, but for nations. no.

We still remember.

Not during this generation at least.

Too many people alive still who remember.

And Putin is not the idiot, nor the war-mongering monster he is painted out to be by so many.

It doesn't mean jack # what Israel or USA wants in Europe. We will negotiate first, second and third.

Plus the economic situation is nowhere near as dire as before the first world war and we have too long a time of stability that everybody likes, imperfect or not.

Just my two cents worth.

originally posted by: Pathaka
For you yankees, that haven't had total war on your turf for a couple of centuries (and as such have really forgotten what atrocity it is, and not just on TV shows), I'll let you in on a secret:

Us Yanks, many of whom are a conglomeration of people, races, religions, and cultures from all around the world.

Many of us know what war brings and the effects, because most are transplants after WWI and WWII.

My family is a prime example because they almost starve to death after WWII, so they left and came to the USA (legally) in the 50's. After arriving they work crappy jobs, no hand-outs, and never complained. First generation children had very little comforts, but had lots of love and support to become successful, in the new world.

No one ever wins in war, just degrees of loss.

Maybe the election of Obama was a harbinger.
Just look, all of the useless, utterly worthless scum of America are now massed together in multiple American failed cities... Detroit, Killadelphia, Oakland, $hitcongo, Newark, East St. Louis, New Orleans, Baltimore... the list, depressingly, goes on and on and on.

So if Russia nukes all those cities, it would be more like flushing a bunch of clogged toilets.
Social Darwinism? Sociopolitical Darwinism on a global scale?

We know there are too many of us on this planet, consuming too many of its scarce resources, maybe things will take care of themselves...

originally posted by: stirling
The bankers want it........The corporations want it.....the elite want it....itll surely happen....

Why do the bankers want war in Europe? Very bad for business.

Why do the corporations want it? Very bad for business.

The 'elite' want it? Who?

Vladimir Putin wants it.

originally posted by: jude11

originally posted by: stirling
The bankers want it........The corporations want it.....the elite want it....itll surely happen....

The People?

Don't want it.

What if someone held a war and no one showed up?

Peace

I completely agree. At the end of the day, as much as both are two blame, the people are pretty much in the middle when it comes to Europe and the West and Russia.

So hopefully nobody will turn up for such a pointless war against the so called 'enemy' that helped Europe and the world to defeat Nazism. At the end of the day, we the people are all in it together. We might not be economically similar but, when your gas, electricity and running water goes out because of a stupid economic conflict... there will be blood on both streets, not between the armies of each side. But the people against the elites and so forth.

If you look at the bigger picture, everything is aligning towards war.

The major thing to watch is the health of economies. Poor economic conditions lead to war. We have a Europe which is still mired in economic trouble. Their banks are vastly undercapitalised, unemployment (particularly amongst the youth) remains incredibly high and no genuine recovery looks on the horizon. They also depend on Russian energy to an uncomfortably high degree.

The US is relying on its reserve currency status to print baby print. The Chinese are printing just as heavily as the US to prop up their economy; it is not in good shape at all. Lots of crappy loans have been made and much of the 'growth' they have seen is illusory. Building lots and lots of buildings doesnt bring economic prosperity.

We have a number of countries trying to get into Africa to control African resources. China is at the head of the pack.

The BRICS are positioning to destroy USD reserve status. This is accomplished by removing USD trade in energy and commodities. There are a number of unilateral agreements in place for trade in Yuan, and the BRICS bank is another step to attempt to wean the developed world off the USD. Without reserve currency status the US loses an incredibly important economic advantage (one which includes the ability to export inflation to other USD dependent countries). Currency wars have raged for a number of years now in a race to the bottom.

New alliances are forming that appear to be on a path similar to those of years gone by. China, Russia and India seek closer cooperation. A clear divide between Shiite and Sunni is forming in the middle east; in recent times the line hasnt been as clear cut (thanks in part to ensuring Iran and Iraq have stayed enemies, no longer the case). The US has a bill in the lower house which seeks to declare Ukraine a formal ally. The proliferation of alliances has the potential to trigger war based on a relatively minor initial skirmish, as has happened in the past.

Everything that is occurring geopolitically is moving us closer to war, and the further this all gets intertwined the greater the chances that an otherwise insignificant event could trigger a much larger conflict. It may be in the middle east first, it may be in europe first, but unless the powers that be start to reverse course there is only one way we are headed.

It is here already and has been for some time.

It is just a matter of how it unfolds now.

Sad to say but I share your sentiments Zvesdar

Most of us know Russia isn't exactly Utopian, however, Western politics are far from angelic.

Seems like the US and it's allied followers, the UK etc have deliberately been looking for anything possible to throw at Russia, unfounded allegations, the whole Ukraine thing, MH17 etc when the West is far from innocent. I am sure there is plenty Putin and co could rustle from the known unscrupulous practices to similar unfounded allegations about the US etc.

Obviously the public are fed on whichever slant their governments wants them to hear.

An objective viewpoint IMO is keeping rational, seeing things as they truly are through the smokescreen of propaganda and seeing the error of Global Politics and their machinations and how it is the people that are affected most.

As humanitarians, prevention of wars is something that should be a prerogative.

There are powerful weapons out there, potential wipe out scenarios and the stupid egotism of humanity should be curbed as nature will surely kick it's ass before it gets anywhere near kicking nature's.

a reply to: loam

The war in Europe is just a rouse. Russia will be moving in to help the Arabs fight Israel soon. Its like the boxer who jabs with his right and plans to know you out with his left. Putin knows he will never win a conventional war in Europe. Germany would be able to hold them off for years by themselves.

Putin is not ignorant. He has eyes on all that oil and Gas Israel will soon be pumping and it will give him dominance over the Mideast not just Europe. He needs it to save his economy.

The biggest mistake is that the Arabs never train with each other and Russia does not train with them either.

His excuse will be the poor Arabs need help but everyone will know what he is after.

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

The war in Europe is just a rouse.

The real rouse is the American economy which has been the biggest Ponzi scheme since the last 30 years. $17 Trillion of debt has been piled up and these has to be some way to wipe it out in one shot. Guess now easy $500B a year has to be set aside to merely service the interest payments on this debt.


Soon Germany which has faced ruin in last two European wars, will back out of EU and NATO. Germans are fiscally smart people and have realized why they should NOT get involved in a mess of American overspending and South European economic mismanagement.

War on atleast regional scale like Europe makes good sense to create hyperinflation and cancel the debt out.

But Slaves like you, the middle class who pray the top 1%, will be the biggest losers with savings wiped out and hit with massive unemployment and falling apart of social safety nets.

Btw, before wishing for a war look at some vids of various soldiers killed with guts spilled out or burnt alive in gasoline. Better ways to die than with such shock and pain that soul is traumatized for next several life times.

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Germany to Suffer Most from Anti-Russian Sanctions - Analyst

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Putin is not the aggressor.

Putin is acting to save Russia which is correct.

There is no Russian plan to attack Europe. This is all bull.

Ukraine's case is different. Russia has to keep Ukraine as a buffer.

Putin has taken the path of moderate action to protect Russia's interests. I would argue that he should have been more proactive.

The threat to Europe will come from Muslims, and this threat will be quite substantial. Just wait and watch.

Saudis are the key.

The West's plan to make an enemy of Russia is short-sighted.

But it happens. I often quote Sanskrit proverb "Vinaash Kaale Vipreet Buddhi" (In bad time, humans act against discretion)

looks like world war 3 the technology war