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“There is a war coming in Europe”

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posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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With all of the sanctions being levied on Russia I'm wondering how long until they see it as an act of war. The Japanese attacked us during WW2 because of embargoes we placed on them. I don't think Russia will sit back and twittle their thumbs if these sanctions start doing severe damage to their economy. By then it might be too late once the bombs start to fly. Personally I don't like this game we're playing. I look at the current state of world today and I've never seen things this F-ed up. One spark or wrong move is all it's going to take and we'll all go up in flames.




posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: stumason

yes, i know all about the hundred years war. who was not french? william the conqueror was, and i know napoleone buonaparte was from corsica, italy. and by refering to my lineage i was just trying to let you know that i am def not against england, not that i was special.
sorry if i offended.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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War is already here.

Europe: Russia, Ukraine, separatists movement across EU and radical far right movement across EU
Asia: Georgia (at fall), Azerbaijan - Armenia, China - Japan, China - Vietnam, China - South Korea, North Korea - South Korea
Middle East: complete mess that will get even worse when food prices will rise again in the winter. Remember Arab spring? Now it will be Arab Spring on steroids since they didn't recover from the last one.
Africa: a lot of crazy dictators that are just waiting for a chance to attack someone.
Latin America: Argentina against everyone else.

It could be just like WW 1 when Austria declared war on Serbia and after that everyone declared war on everyone. Catalyst could come from anywhere and I doubt it will be Europe again.

You know it's a mess when India and Pakistan have best relations in decades and everyone around them are just waiting for the party to begin.
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posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:34 PM
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a reply to: fixitwcw

No, William the Conqueror was not French....

He was a Norman - descended from Norse settlers who, in return for paying homage to the King of France, were given stewardship of Normandy - Normandy meaning, the "Land of the Norse men."

Anyhoo, we digress....



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: stumason

who was a vassal to the king of france, spoke french, and commissioned the domesday book (which was written in french). rollo, his grandfather, could have considered himself a norseman. yes, we digress. back to the topic at hand.
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posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: fixitwcw
a reply to: stumason

who was a vassal to the king of france. yes, we digress. so this is why my family left. back to the topic at hand.


A vassal yes, but doesn't make him French. The French King had Breton vassals as well, not to mention at times Italian or German vassals....



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:45 PM
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Does war necessarily mean armed conflict? Sanction war perhaps? War of words?

Just trying to stay positive.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: woogleuk

Economic wars are a valid thing - that was pretty much what the Cold War boiled down to and the Russians lost that one too.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: stumason

ok ok ok. f it. maybe i should just say he was a french vassal. what kind of man (a "viking" no less) would swear fealty to foreign king? a power hungry dictator wanting to expand his realm at any cost i guess. like i said. f it. i suppose the fact that he spoke french, and paid homage to the french king, are good enough reasons for me to call him french. f it. or eff it for you englishmen out there.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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He didn't speak French either......


As to what kind of man would swear fealty, pretty much any bloke in that time who wanted his own patch of land to call home without the threat of the man over the hill, with the bigger castle or army, coming to bop his head in, rape his women and kill his children.... In the case of the Normans, they swore fealty in return for the patch of land now known as Normandy.

That was the way feudalism worked....

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posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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a reply to: stumason

then i must ask, sir, which language did he speak? was it not old french?



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: fixitwcw

Norman-French - a mixed dialect of French and Norse still prevalent today in Normandy, although slightly more "French" than it was back then. This is what the Normans did very well - either through conquest or paying homage, they obtained lands in foreign places (as far as the Mediterranean), and ingratiated themselves with the locals while at the same time trying to get the locals to be more like them.

While the common Folk in Normandy would have been "French", the aristocracy - including William - were of Norman stock. Exactly the same happened post conquest in England, the Anglo-Saxons and their language didn't disappear overnight, but rather the elite were replaced and, over time, our Anglo-Saxon customs and language were blended with the imported Norman Elite's way of doing things to become "English"



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:16 PM
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We're not there yet. This circus that's going on is just trying to measure superpower penis sizes, with all their one sided propaganda war.

The USA and Russia are like two sides of the same coin. Please try not to be fooled by either. Europe is still America's lap dog, but... they will also do what's in their own interest (the french carrying on with their warship deal with Russia, London with all it's Russian investors and Oligarchs living there well and protected, and so on). The only country in Europe so far that pulled a serious sanction was Norway - I'm guessing because they didn't have all that much to loose from that investment they were supposed to do and now reneged.

Sooner or later the sanctions will have some effect... but Europe will suffer (we the people will suffer as always). I can already see the prices of gas skyrocketing this winter. Russia will also loose some money and be forced to turn to Asia.

You know who will win the most out of this? China. They will have the upper hand in negotiating any deals with Russia! (like the much cheaper Gas deal they made with them, than the Russians would have liked - if anyone saw the video of that deal being signed, you could see the sad faces on the Russian officials)

So... will there be war? Yes... but not yet. We still have a long way to go until Europe will go to war again. Personally, I think we will also see a rise in a familiar old ideology that has lay dormant and trampled for a few decades... I think you know what I'm talking about here. Maybe we'll also be able to clarify the truth about history WW2 and what the National Socialists really did, or did not do.

Until then, try to enjoy these years as best as you can, because it will happen... it is inevitable. And there's no going back after that.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:16 PM
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a reply to: [post=18212309]stumason[/post

nevermind man. he spoke norman-french. as for the topic at hand, do you believe there is a war coming in europe, once again?



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: fixitwcw

Nope.... Because Russia know's it cannot win - unless of course Putin goes coockoo, or worse, we get someone worse than Putin...



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: fixitwcw
a reply to: stumason

yes, i know all about the hundred years war. who was not french? william the conqueror was, and i know napoleone buonaparte was from corsica, italy. and by refering to my lineage i was just trying to let you know that i am def not against england, not that i was special.
sorry if i offended.


William was likely a descent of the Vikings, or somewhere 'up north' and born in Normandie.
The cheese eating thing is frankly boring now, I'm English and I hate Brits who are so jingoistic, or those from any other country who endeavor to do the same. Funny thing is, I see a lot of jingoism in some the posts here.
Again frankly, nobody really knows what the feck is going on, we are being besieged with crap like those Official US Ambassadorial satellite images of Russian missiles being fired into Ukraine from Russia..except they were not, what stupidity that was.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: stumason

i can see the reasoning behind that. i don't think there will be either. do you think britain will vote to exit the eu? do you think scotland will vote to leave the uk? these kind of influence my opinion on the out come of what is going on now in eastern europe.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: smurfy

the farthest back i can trace in the family tree is rollo the viking. i know we came from wherever the normans called north, scandinavia, which is really broad....... or i have thought possibly celts. i just thought he would have considered himself french.
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posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: fixitwcw

He didn't speak French either......


As to what kind of man would swear fealty, pretty much any bloke in that time who wanted his own patch of land to call home without the threat of the man over the hill, with the bigger castle or army, coming to bop his head in, rape his women and kill his children.... In the case of the Normans, they swore fealty in return for the patch of land now known as Normandy.

That was the way feudalism worked....


It was more the king of the Francs was pissed off with the daft marauders and gave them a lump of land and the channel islands to get his head showered. You probably have to sort out the channel islands dialects to find out what the Norman-French language was. But Willie the Conk did use some French, and he didn't speak English, and was likely illiterate, but the English scribes wrote the stuff down, and it became the language of the nobility for a time, except everyone else carried on as usual. Ironically, the Norman-French of the channel isles is now almost defunct because the English trade with the islands, and the invasion by the Germans there in WW2 really put the knockers on it, when the younger generations..the new speakers, were evacuated to Britain. It just shows how wars can be such a feck-up ways you might never think about.



posted on Jul, 29 2014 @ 05:55 PM
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a reply to: fixitwcw

I am hoping that cooler heads prevail in this crisis - while I think Russia is in the wrong, I don't wish to be thrown into a war with them, I am still young enough to be drafted!

As for the UK/EU thing, it entirely depends on how (or if) we manage to reform the EU and repatriate powers. As it stands, the UK will most likely leave. I am also hoping, because the polls are close, that Scotland remains in the UK. I was just talking to a Scot at work who explained the reasoning behind the independence drive, but also hoped we stayed together.



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