Charles, a brilliant thread. I have to caution myself to not make another account simply so I could star and flag it further.
1) “The great dragon, the primeval serpent, known as the devil or Satan who had deceived all the world” (Revelations 12:9) symbolizes the ‘movement’ of self-reflection, which gives rise to the fundamental duality and both the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil” (Genesis 3:2-6) and the “beast of the sea” (Revelations 13:1) which symbolize the consciousness of the “self”. This results in the creation of “selves” which define the “self” as the “good” and the “not self” as the “evil”.
How can this conflict be resolved; if, in fact, there is any desire to resolve this conflict at all?
Well, obviously, not by the adherence to the dualistic theologies and political ideologies which have created this conflict in the first place—or a “peace process” which has already failed to resolve this conflict for many, many years; but, rather, by the rigid adherence of all Jews, Christians and Muslims to the Moral Law; and a return to the fundamental Revelations received by Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed; and the Knowledge Revealed through the Revelation of the “resurrection”; and the “Tree of Life”, the Vision of the “Son of man”, the “Vision of Knowledge”, the “Night Journey” of Mohammed.
War will continue until things are set straight which will never happen.
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: charles1952
That's what has bothered me, I suppose. There are many that would like to see the nation of Israel, moved (gone).
Honestly? In order for real peace to emerge, things are going to have to get much worse before they can ever get better.
originally posted by: charles1952
Just a couple of questions.
We have bunches (I hesitate to say "mobs") of Palestinian supporters here. Surely some of them must have a dream of peace that allows Israel to continue to exist. Why aren't they here? I can think of a number of reasons, but the most frightening is that Palestinian supporters don't want peace.
But wouldn't these warriors for Allah have the courage to say that?
What would happen if Arab countries granted some Palestinians citizenship (as the Israelis have done) and give then new homes nearby. There are 57 Islamic states, plenty to choose from.
If Mexicans, Central and South Americans can cross a border to get into a better country, hasn't that idea occurred to the Palestinians?
Is evacuation of Palestine the answer? Of course, Hamas will say no, but isn't there some point at which they will show care and concern for their own people?
After King Herod died, the Romans instituted procurators to rule the Judeans. In the beginning, the Roman procurators respected the laws and customs of the Jewish people, allowing them to rest on the Sabbath, granting them exemption from pagan rituals, and even printing coins free of images despite the fact that elsewhere the coins bore images.
When confronted with a procurator who disrespected their laws, and customs, the Jews petitioned the governor of Syria to get the official removed. However, this changed with the institution of Gessius Florus as a procurator. Florus helped set the revolt in motion after stealing from the temple treasury, and murdering Jews who opposed the destruction.
Faced with Florus as a procurator, the Jews attempted to garner support from the governor of Syria at the time Cestius Gallius. This plea for help however failed to garner any support. The consequent riot which erupted was the first in a series of revolts, and led to the formation of several revolutionary factions. The revolt was further intensified when Florus attempted to stop the riots, which actually incited more revolutionary zeal.
Pope Francis visited a memorial to Jewish victims of terrorism on Monday after Israel demanded the gesture as a counter-weight to his decision to pray at the foot of the giant wall that symbolises the divisions between Palestinians and Israelis.
Israeli officials were angered by the Pope’s impromptu initiative at the separation barrier on which ‘Free Palestine’ was scrawled in graffiti on Sunday, which they felt handed a propaganda victory to the Palestinians, who regard the wall as the ultimate symbol of their subjugation and a potent example of illegal land-grabbing.
There were reports that the Palestinian Authority was planning to have the image of the Pope praying at the barrier made into a postage stamp.
Deciding, in the words of one Israeli official, not to ‘get mad but to get even,’ they strongly suggested to the Vatican that the Pope should pray at the memorial on Jerusalem’s Mount Herzl.
Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, made it plain that the visit to the memorial had been at his instigation.
Pope Francis delivered a powerful boost of support to the Palestinians during a Holy Land pilgrimage Sunday, repeatedly backing their statehood aspirations, praying solemnly at Israel’s controversial separation barrier and calling the stalemate in peace efforts ‘unacceptable.’
Palestinian officials hailed Francis’ decision to refer to the ‘state of Palestine.’ In its official program, the Vatican referred to President Mahmoud Abbas as the president of the ‘state of Palestine,’ and his Bethlehem office as the ‘presidential palace.’ He pointedly called Abbas a ‘man of peace.’
Pope Francis and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu traded words on Monday over the language spoken by Jesus two millennia ago.
‘Jesus was here, in this land. He spoke Hebrew,’ Netanyahu told Francis, at a public meeting in Jerusalem in which the Israeli leader cited a strong connection between Judaism and Christianity.
‘Aramaic,’ the pope interjected.
‘He spoke Aramaic, but he knew Hebrew,’ Netanyahu shot back.
Since the construction of the barrier, Palestinian infiltrations, suicide bombings and other attacks on civilians in Israel and in Israeli settlements have substantially declined. Members of al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, Hamas, and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad have been less able to conduct attacks in Israel, the numbers of which have decreased in areas where the barrier has been completed.
Israeli officials predict that completion of the barrier will continue to prevent terrorist attacks since "[a]n absolute halt in terrorist activities has been noticed in the West Bank areas where the fence has been constructed."
Israeli officers (including the head of the Shin Bet) quoted in the newspaper Maariv have said that in the areas where the barrier was complete, the number of hostile infiltrations has decreased to almost zero. Maariv also stated that Palestinian militants, including a senior member of Islamic Jihad, had confirmed that the barrier made it much harder to conduct attacks inside Israel.
Since the completion of the fence in the area of Tulkarm and Qalqilyah in June 2003, there have been no successful attacks from those areas. All attacks were intercepted or the suicide bombers detonated prematurely. In a March 23, 2008 interview, Palestinian Islamic Jihad leader Ramadan Shalah complained to the Qatari newspaper Al-Sharq that the separation barrier "limits the ability of the resistance to arrive deep within [Israeli territory] to carry out suicide bombing attacks, but the resistance has not surrendered or become helpless, and is looking for other ways to cope with the requirements of every stage" of the intifada.
In 2005, Hillary Rodham Clinton, at the time a U.S. Senator from New York, said she supports the separation fence Israel is building along the edges of the West Bank, and that the onus is on the Palestinian Authority to fight terrorism. "This is not against the Palestinian people," she said during a tour of a section of the barrier being built around Jerusalem. "This is against the terrorists. The Palestinian people have to help to prevent terrorism. They have to change the attitudes about terrorism."
In 2007, Senator Charles Schumer said: "As long as the Palestinians send terrorists onto school buses and to nightclubs to blow up people, Israel has no choice but to build the Security Wall."
If Israel does that, will rocket launches and terrorist attacks stop? Will Palestine recognize Israel as a Jewish State? Will a peace treaty be signed? Or will it just be, take down your security wall, then will sit at a table with you for a while.
The wall that represents the division between Palestinians and Israeli's must be removed.
Sorry, I don't understand this. Jews are killing people who worship Christ? New to me. Just praising Christ means nothing, the list of people I praise is moderately lengthy. whether or not it applies in this case, nations are entitled to defend themselves and their people.
Christ taught new teachings that we should love our enemies. How much more anti-christian is it to forsake his teachings and kill those who praise him?