Texas Town Rallies to Support Man Convicted of the Super Aggravated Sexual Assault of a 4 yr old Boy

a reply to: Daughter2

Most folks don't have a clue as to how things really work in the world. Trust and apathy is easy.

The vitriol toward anyone that doesn't tow the official line is the reason there is still so much injustice in the world.

The op's link even has links with in it that lead to other articles and commentary that question the case brought against Kelly. I doubt that anyone wants to debate those. A sign of child sexual assault has been hung around a young persons neck and that is all they will see.

a reply to: Daughter2

Yes, sometimes false allegations can be made. No one has disputed that.

Yet you offer not one shred of possible evidence that suggests that is what happened in this particular case.

Again, I ask you:

Do you believe this young man received a fair trial? If no, why not?

Do you believe the children involved here are lying or have been manipulated? If so, why?

It seems that a very notable and justice minded attorney has stepped in to assist with a possible new trial. Keith Hampton the attorney has a incredible reputation and is respected for his work.

GEORGETOWN, Texas (KXAN) — A Williamson County judge has approved a motion to keep Greg Kelley in the county jail until at least Aug. 1. The move comes after new defense attorney Keith Hampton filed a motion to keep the 19-year-old there until a motion for a new trial can be heard.

kxan.com...

This case has wrongful prosecution written all over it. And for those of you that would rely on the testimony of a four year old child really need to think again. Children don't always knowingly lie, but there are adults that are more than capable of leading a child down a particular path that in the end could convict an innocent person.

a reply to: Witness2008

*snort*

Please! I was as good kid as they come: honor student, star athlete, did every activity under the sun and did them all well. Got along with everyone, was enemies with no one, all my teachers liked me ... blah, blah, blah ..,

But had this been me, no one, NO ONE, in my hometown would have rallied around me like this because I wasn't any kind of marquis star. I was just track and field, never mind that I was named the top female athlete in my state in my senior year by Gatorade and SI ... I wasn't b-ball which was my hometown's gawd sport, so I could have gone to rot for all most of the town's folk would have cared.

No, this has to do with what he plays, and their behavior over this is disgusting.

There is a poll in this link www.hillcountrynews.com...
I suggest the members here take the poll in order to see the results. The Hill Country News is a Williamson County paper. You will get a sense of the community sentiment concerning their justice system.

a reply to: Witness2008

So because they think their justice system sucks, it's appropriate to attack and bully the 4-year-old? If the child wasn't a victim before, he certainly is now.

a reply to: ketsuko

This has everything to do with the fact the the majority of Williamson County residents know how corrupt their courts are.

I so enjoy the the sideline diagnosis of a whole community of people based on one persons mediocre (at best) understanding of that community.

a reply to: ketsuko

Perhaps you can show me the "bullying"?

I'm not sure what that has to do with the facts of the case.

a reply to: NickDC202

Unless the alleged abuser had kiddie porn on him then that's enough proof or they have evidence on the boy's body as in the pain, damages that the boy might be experiencing.


However for the believe that claims made by a 4 year old is rather questionable. If he was 7/8/9 then things would being different.

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: Snarl

Obviously the deal was accepted by the court. But why? He had been found guilty and if what some say, the court pursues child sexual assault cases so aggressively, he could have been put away for life. Why would the court or the DA agree to the plea bargain?

I can't answer that conclusively. I suspect the ultimate goal was to kill the appeals process. The court may have been looking at the situation from the victim's side view and not wanting to have this dredged up again to the detriment of the 4YO and his family. They may have been considering relief for the court system.

Whatever the case may be, it's readily apparent to some in this thread that there Was guilt here. It looks like the defense was hoping for a single juror holdout (good bet too). When the guilty verdict came in, they had to take the best outcome they could get ... and 25 years is better than 40. Everything else was piled on.

I know you've got 'feelings' about this. I plead guilty once to a 'crime' I didn't commit. I admit it's a sucky system, but it's the best we've got. I assure you, I would not have taken the deal Kelley did. A 25 year rap on a felony pedo charge isn't going to work out well for him in prison. I'll give him a week to enjoy eating with his front teeth.

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: ketsuko

This has everything to do with the fact the the majority of Williamson County residents know how corrupt their courts are.

I so enjoy the the sideline diagnosis of a whole community of people based on one persons mediocre (at best) understanding of that community.

So why should they "grow up and feel guilty" again? If the justice system is corrupt it's not their fault. So the own takes it out on them why?

a reply to: ketsuko

What in the world are you talking about? The child that may have been manipulated into telling untruths about someone? The four year old boy?

a reply to: Snarl

I know you've got 'feelings' about this. I plead guilty once to a 'crime' I didn't commit. I admit it's a sucky system, but it's the best we've got. I assure you, I would not have taken the deal Kelley did. A 25 year rap on a felony pedo charge isn't going to work out well for him in prison. I'll give him a week to enjoy eating with his front teeth.

Kelley is not allowed the same flawed reasoning you had a right to when pleading guilty to something you had not done?

Just because Kelly took the 25 year rap, and it's not one you would have taken, makes him guilty? Well I suppose that reasoning along with the testimony of a four year old is enough to trash someones life, even though it all comes from a justice system that is nationally renowned for being corrupt.

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: Snarl

I know you've got 'feelings' about this. I plead guilty once to a 'crime' I didn't commit. I admit it's a sucky system, but it's the best we've got. I assure you, I would not have taken the deal Kelley did. A 25 year rap on a felony pedo charge isn't going to work out well for him in prison. I'll give him a week to enjoy eating with his front teeth.

Kelley is not allowed the same flawed reasoning you had a right to when pleading guilty to something you had not done?

Just because Kelly took the 25 year rap, and it's not one you would have taken, makes him guilty? Well I suppose that reasoning along with the testimony of a four year old is enough to trash someones life, even though it all comes from a justice system that is nationally renowned for being corrupt.

Can we discuss this rationally? If not, I will no longer respond to your replies in-thread with that intent.

My rationale in pleading guilty was to take a $5.00 fine and move on with my life. It closed everything out nicely, except for the fact I have a misdemeanor conviction record. The cop got a win, the court got a win, no lawyers got rich, I learned a valuable lesson for five measly dollars.

Kelley forced a child (probably two or more) to perform oral sex. This is confirmed by a _verdict_ of guilt by a jury of his peers ... and his follow-up _confession_ of said guilt. I did neither. I pled guilty because I was ignorant of the words 'no contest' in my youth.

When I saw the video of him putting his head on the table following the verdict, I saw a guy accepting defeat when he thought victory was within his grasp. Forgive my 'opinions' of a convicted felon pedo, but the guy did in court what he was used to doing on the gridiron ... and that's giving the best 'game' he had. This time he lost. All-in-all, I think he accepted it well. His mommy should have demonstrated such character instead of making a follow-on impassioned statement to the press. After all, she raised him.

Hard case to crack really, basically there is the word of a 4 year old, and that is all the evidence. How did the 4 year old end up telling? My sister just turned 5 when she told, it was the same day her class had a presentation on it, then she knew stuff was going on and she should tell me, her older bro. Before the presentation she didn't know anything was wrong to tell. Was there something like that in the 4 year old kids life like that?

a reply to: Snarl

Kelley forced a child (probably two or more) to perform oral sex. This is confirmed by a _verdict_ of guilt by a jury of his peers

The same kind of jury that convicted Michael Morton?
www.cnn.com...

He was released after 25 years for something that he did not do. Just one example that comes out of Williamson County

I'm going to guess, given your pseudo analysis of Kelley's reaction during verdict, that a rational discussion probably won't happen.

a reply to: intrepid

I think you made the opponents point. Since they know nothing about sex, how then did they create a story from knowledge they dont possess

a reply to: Witness2008

It's abundantly clear that the system is not perfect. Did MM confess? No. So it's an apples and oranges comparison ... not that it doesn't serve to prove the system has flaws.

I'm a disinterested witness to the verdict. I can only assess what I've read. Several folks have asked what the jury heard to convict. I don't care what they heard ... only that they came to a unanimous conclusion. The anecdotal case in your previous post needs more weight. Are there other documented departures from justice with no attempts at correcting the record or punishing the bad players?

a reply to: Witness2008

Just to be clear...are you saying they never get one right?

a reply to: Snarl

Both were convicted by juries of their peers. Juries can be wrong, especially given the fact that the county is notorious for misleading those juries through an evidentiary shell game. You cut your loses, why can't this guy. You saved a few bucks, he saves himself a few years.