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Tyler Durden: Shut up! Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God?
Narrator: No, no, I... don't...
Tyler Durden: Listen to me! You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen.
Narrator: It isn't?
Tyler Durden: We don't need him!
Not sure if this is another "I hate God" threads that have become so populous on ATS these days, or not...
Perhaps you should make your point clearer, so we can tell the depths of your 'argument.'
Bloch I want to confess as honestly as I can, but my heart is empty. And emptiness is a mirror turned to my own face. I see myself, and am seized by disgust and fear. Through my indifference for people I've been placed outside of their society. Now I live in a ghost world, enclosed in my dreams and imaginings.
Death: Despite that, you don't want to die.
Bloch Yes, I want to.
Death: What are you waiting for?
Bloch I want knowledge.
Death: You want a guarantee?
Bloch Call it what you like. Is it so terribly inconceivable to comprehend God with one's own senses? Why does he hide in a cloud of half-promises and unseen miracles? How can we believe in the faithful when we lack faith? What will happen to us, who want to believe, but cannot? What about those who neither want to, nor can believe? Why can't I kill God in me? Why does He live on in me in a humiliating way, despite my wanting to evict Him from my heart? Why is He, despite all, a mocking reality I can't be rid of? Do you hear?
Death: I hear you.
Bloch I want knowledge. Not faith, not assumptions, but knowledge. I want God to stretch out His hand, uncover His face, and speak to me.
Death But He remains silent.
Bloch I call out to Him in the darkness, but it's as if no one's there.
Death Perhaps there isn't anyone.
Bloch Then life is a preposterous horror. No man can live, faced with Death, knowing there is nothingness.
Death Most people think neither of Death, nor nothingness.
Bloch But one day you stand at the edge of life and face darkness.
Death That day.
Bloch I understand what you mean. We must make an idol of our fear, and that idol we shall call God.
Bloch: You. Do you hear me? They say you've had commerce with the Devil.
Witch: Why do you ask?
Bloch: For very personal reasons. I, too, want to meet him.
Bloch: I must ask him about God. Surely he knows.
Witch: You an see him anytime.
Witch: If you do as I say. Look into my eyes. Well, do you see him?
Bloch: I see terror. Nothing else.
Witch: Nothing? No one?
I am not seeking to argue anything really.
Just a meeting of the like minded.
Those I want to talk to at this moment will understand what I am getting at.
If you think about it. This is very true in more than a few senses.
As for the idea of an "I hate God" thread, I would see this more as a self-empowerment thread. You don't need God, and if there is no God, or if God has abandoned you, it makes you no less capable, as your own will is, ultimately, the thing which will keep you moving forward in life. I do not hate God, nor is He dead,
He is irrelevant.
The Pious as Sons of God.
The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha contain a few passages in which the title "son of God" is given to the Messiah (see Enoch, cv. 2; IV Esdras vii. 28-29; xiii. 32, 37, 52; xiv. 9); but the title belongs also to any one whose piety has placed him in a filial relation to God (see Wisdom ii. 13, 16, 18; v. 5, where "the sons of God" are identical with "the saints"; comp. Ecclus. [Sirach] iv. 10). It is through such personal relations that the individual becomes conscious of God's fatherhood, and gradually in Hellenistic and rabbinical literature "sonship to God" was ascribed first to every Israelite and then to every member of the human race (Abot iii. 15, v. 20; Ber. v. 1; see Abba). The God-childship of man has been especially accentuated in modern Jewish theology, in sharp contradistinction to the Christian God-sonship of Jesus. The application of the term "son of God" to the Messiah rests chiefly on Ps. ii. 7, and the other Messianic passages quoted above.
originally posted by: HarbingerOfShadows
a reply to: InhaleExhale
Oh so you're always this vitriolic?