Lies about the current immigration crisis, or is it a invasion?

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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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Many stories have appeared on ATS about this current border situation but what is true and what is false? Do you automatically believe the pundits pushing agendas? Lets look at a few of the common assertions currently being labeled as news.


The Obama administration "manipulated deportation data to make it appear that the Border Patrol was deporting more illegal immigrants than the Bush administration."

Lou Dobbs on Tuesday, July 1st, 2014 in a segment on 'Lou Dobbs Tonight'

punditfact



This has been proven False. Previous administrations would just voluntarily returned people illegality crossing the border but now they are formally removed, so a change in tactics lead the right to claim a manipulation of data.


Deportations or "removals" under Obama are tracking higher than during the Bush years using the most literal deportation statistics, as well as those solely from ICE. Dobbs’ contention that the Obama administration is inflating its number is an interpretation of a change in federal policy to process and remove people trying to enter the country illegally rather than just turn them around. Whether you agree with the policy, those formal removals are occurring.

That strategy is rooted in previous administrations but was accelerated by Obama so that people trying to cross the border illegally face more significant consequences and receive formal deportation orders.

We rate the claim False.


I wonder how many people think this is true when it has been proven False?

Next immigration topic:


"We are accepting more legal immigrants than we ever have in the history (of the United States.)"

Rick Santorum on Sunday, July 13th, 2014 in a "Meet the Press" pundit panel

Punditfact



True or False? 2013 would rank #20, the leading single years are 1907, 1990, 1991. This assertion has been rated Mostly False. There has been a increase in the last 10 year total but some of that was under Bush. You can view the link for there final ruling.

Lou Dobbs makes a second appearance in this thread:


Obama’s 2012 policy on younger immigrants "created these children coming across" the border.

Lou Dobbs on Monday, July 21st, 2014 in a broadcast of "Lou Dobbs Tonight"

Punditfact

I have heard this over and over here on ATS, so True or False? Dobbs claims the current increase in children coming across our border is directly because of Obama June 2012 immigration policy is to blame, however the increase in children at our border started before his policy change according to this graph:



This has been ruled mostly False, however Obama did release statements that this policy only worked for those already here when he changed the policy.


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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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Under President Ronald Reagan, illegal immigrants "were not pouring in like" they are now.

Deirdre Imus on Thursday, July 24th, 2014 in a broadcast on Fox Business of "Imus in the Morning"

punditfact

There was a average of over 1 million illegal immigrants caught per year under Reagan and under 500k under Obama, there were also 200k that made it here successfully under Reagan compared to 120k under Obama.

This claim is False!

So crunch the numbers and decide for yourselves, is this the invasion you thought it was or is? Or is it agenda driven propaganda?
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:20 PM
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The lies just keep on coming, so how many of you believe these "news organizations"


"Obama regime planned the influx of illegal alien children at the border."

Rush Limbaugh on Tuesday, June 24th, 2014 in a broadcast of the "Rush Limbaugh Show"

punditfact

As you can see by this graph, the influx of children began before Obama made any changes to immigration policy.



PANTS ON FIRE!!!!



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

Interesting but I'm missing one curious piece of data. (perhaps I missed it)

Out of all the people coming over the border illegally, what percentage ends up staying?



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: LDragonFire

Interesting but I'm missing one curious piece of data. (perhaps I missed it)

Out of all the people coming over the border illegally, what percentage ends up staying?


Here is the lawful graph, not sure about the illegal numbers or if they even keep track.




posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

I've tried looking at the government sites, and they don't seem to differentiate between legal and illegal immigration. They have plenty of data on legal immigration, but I can't seem to find any data about how many illegal aliens end up staying in the US.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: beezzer

The best your going to get are of course estimates, but there is a significant population of illegal immigrants who have been in the US at least 10 years. Here's a graph with information current as of 2011 from Pew Research:



How they arrived at these numbers is explained in the linked source.
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 04:58 PM
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The reality of Obama agenda of amnesty and his “deferred action” allowing them to stay in the country under the terms of a "memorandum" issued unilaterally last year by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.



(CNSNews.com) – President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden met in the Oval Office on Tuesday with three people who are in the country in violation of U.S. immigration laws but who have received “deferred action” allowing them to stay in the country under the terms of a "memorandum" issued unilaterally last year by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.

While conceding that she had no legal authority to change the "immigration status" of illegal aliens or provide them with a "pathway to citizenship," Napolitano instructed the top officials at Customs and Border Protection, Citizenship and Immigration Services, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement to use what she called "prosecutorial discretion" in not enforcing the immigration laws against certain classes of immigration lawbreakers.

These included illegal aliens who arrived in the United States before their sixteenth birthday, had graduated from high school or served in the military, had not been convicted of "significant" or "multiple" misdemeanors, and had not yet turned thirty.


www.cnsnews.com...

Just like the dream act.

The Obama administration has been one of the softest when it comes to illegal immigrants, thanks to his amnesty pushing agenda.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: marg6043


The Obama administration has been one of the softest when it comes to illegal immigrants, thanks to his amnesty pushing agenda.


This is demonstrably false.


Amnesty often has been given to individual illegal immigrants who otherwise would have been deported. However, there never was any large-scale, group amnesty given in the U.S. until 1986. The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act gave amnesty to roughly 2.8 million illegal aliens. At least six other group amnesties have been granted since then, sometimes to specific nationalities. For example, almost 1 million Central American illegal immigrants were granted amnesty in 1997 and 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti received amnesty in 1998.


Discovery.com

Those figures can be independently confirmed from several sources. During the last administration, there were several attempts to grant amnesty supported by Bush and other Republicans.

In fact, back in 2005, it was Bush who was taking the same heat as Obama is now:


President Bush's proposal for a guest worker program to help stem the tide of illegal immigration actually prompted a surge of illegal border-crossings that the administration then sought to cover up, a watchdog group charged today, citing a 2004 survey by the U.S. Border Patrol.


Judicial Watch, a Washington-based public interest group, said the survey, obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, showed that 61 percent of a sample of detainees who had been caught illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexican border in the wake of Bush's proposal said they had been informed by the Mexican government or the media that the Bush administration was offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. Nearly 45 percent said the purported amnesty influenced their decision to enter the United States illegally, Judicial Watch said.

source - Washington Post
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

I stand by my source, the same Immigration crisis we are having today is the same that we had under Reagan when he was pushing amnesty, one thing is what is been portrayed to us the tax payers and voters, and another the reality of how established immigration laws has been ignored under amnesty promises in the pursue of securing the Spanish and immigrants votes.

That is reality, history is repeating itself.

Plain and simple.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 05:22 PM
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I will agree that under the Reagan administration promise of amnesty the influx was greater in the millions by know statistics, under Obama is still in the hundred of thousands a bit short

But the same lax on immigration laws that were used by Regan is the same been used by the Obama administration, Amnesty does equal better border control laws, just enough to keep the tax payers and voters shut up and happy.

That is a fact.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 05:39 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

Have a idea why congress won't do anything?



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
I will agree that under the Reagan administration promise of amnesty the influx was greater in the millions by know statistics, under Obama is still in the hundred of thousands a bit short

But the same lax on immigration laws that were used by Regan is the same been used by the Obama administration, Amnesty does equal better border control laws, just enough to keep the tax payers and voters shut up and happy.

That is a fact.


That's an opinion.

BTW, on the topic of facts about illegal immigration — I just noticed you challenged me to debunk the statistics you posted here, in another thread.

You attributed these statements to and I quote:


Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security


There is a broken link on your anti-immigration source which also refers to his testimony as "recent" when it actually occurred in 2003:


In recent Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House Subcommittee on immigration, Border, Security and Claims he stated:


What he actually said.

None of the "facts" you're attributing to him appear in his testimony AT ALL.

Also, let's not forget all of the efforts to grant amnesty during the last administration:

2004, Fox News - Bush Amnesty Plan Threatens US Economy


Three weeks ago there was no one among Republican voters who would have said that fixing the problem of illegal immigration to the U.S. meant granting amnesty to an estimated eight million illegal aliens, the majority of whom have entered the U.S. without a visa by walking across our border with Mexico.

But that is precisely what President Bush said last week he intends to do, as he posed for pictures before a Mexican flag in Monterrey, Mexico. To his left was Mexican President Vicente Fox (search ), who -- in an even more alarming image -- was framed by the Stars and Stripes as he smiled for the cameras.


2007, NY Times - Immigration Bill Fails to Survive Senate Vote


WASHINGTON, June 28 — President Bush’s effort to overhaul the nation’s immigration policy, a cornerstone of his domestic agenda, collapsed in the Senate today, with little hope that it can be revived before Mr. Bush leaves office in January 2009.

The bill called for the biggest changes to immigration law in more than 20 years, offering legal status to millions of illegal immigrants while trying to secure the nation’s borders.


There were at least two other attempts at granting amnesty under George W. Bush, McCain was involved with most of these attempts.
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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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Officials fault lax Obama immigration policies for ‘calamity’ in border states

The Obama administration lax on immigration laws and favoritism are the ones causing the border crisis.


According to portions of a memo obtained by Fox News, an official with Customs and Border Protection wrote late last month that current policies are serving as an incentive for more to cross.

"If the U.S. government fails to deliver adequate consequences to deter aliens from attempting to illegally enter the U.S., the result will be an even greater increase in the rate of recidivism and first-time illicit entries," Border Patrol Deputy Chief Ronald D. Vitiello wrote in the May 30 memo.

Among the policies that allegedly are creating a magnet for illegal immigrants is what's known as Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. The unilateral policy in 2012 allowed some illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children to defer deportation -- among other criteria, they must have come to the U.S. before they were 16 years old, be younger than 31 on June 15, 2012, and have been in the country since at least June 15, 2007, and have no criminal history.

The administration extended that program earlier this month, allowing the immigrants to apply for protection from deportation for another two years.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., said in a statement that the extension and changes would "proactively invite fraud and abuse."

In December, a U.S. District Court judge in Texas also claimed that federal agents were intercepting human smugglers transporting children at the U.S.-Mexico border -- and then delivering those children to illegal immigrant parents in the U.S.


www.foxnews.com...

Taking in to consideration the track record of misinformation, lies and corruption running rampant within our government regardless of who is in power, we should know by now that data and statistics coming from the government are manipulated and use against us to keep us debating of who is telling the truth or not, divided we stand, meanwhile our borders are open, the states are inundated with illegal immigrants as long as they take the federal government money, after that is another weight in the backs of the tax payers middle class.

That is the reality of Americas politics of deception.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

So you don't have a source for anything but opinions? I've just proven to you that you've been promulgating (and apparently believing) disinformation that is a complete fiction. While there is a good argument to made for the recent uptick in unaccompanied minors crossing the borders illegally being in part due to a misrepresentation of US policy, the increase in the size of the illegal immigrant population as a whole, remains largely a function of the economy and the availability of jobs.



source

Notice what what happened following the onset of the recession.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 06:08 PM
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Illegal immigration is big business for the private sector in that nation that goes around and pour their contributions to the for sell congress in the nation of donations.


GEO, who makes the boast of ICE being their main client, saw their business grow from a net of $16.9 million in the year 2000 to nearly $79 million currently.

While all of these profits were being recorded and accumulated, a combined total of around $45 million has been spent by these businesses for contributions to political campaigns and for both state and federal lobbying efforts according to the AP.


www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org...

No wonder the government and private interest have more reasons to keep the influx of illegals in the nation and growing

Sadly this put a burden on the tax payers that now have to keep sustaining the increasing welfare state that has record numbers under the Obama administration.

How much illegals cost the nations tax payers


A study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimates that illegal immigration now costs federal and local taxpayers $113 billion a year. The report, The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers, is the most comprehensive analysis of how much the estimated 13 million illegal aliens and their U.S.-born children cost the federal, state and local governments.


Enriching the pockets of the rich elite while the working class get crew at every turn.

www.illegalimmigrationstatistics.org...-4412



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian



All your little graph shows is the homicide rate has fallen nationally while the illegal population has increased nationally.

Fails to correlate the actual crime rates among the increasing illegal population.

Tangents again.

A penny has more copper content than a one dollar bill too !!





posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 06:20 PM
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" Lies about the current immigration crisis, or is it a invasion? "

I think most lies with the most impact are about the suppressed numbers of illegal immigrants that commit crimes.

The genuine numbers are not easily gotten from government official reports.

And yes, it is a invasion.




posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Its a bunch of lies from right wing media.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 07:04 PM
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Doncha know? Trillions of illegal cross the border every single minute! Every woman is pregnant, every man armed, shooting his way to the welfare office.

And Obama is personally driving them cross the border too!

Each and every one infected with herpagonasyphilaids!





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