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You all are saying that they aren't enforcing the laws on the books
and when legislation comes up to do just that, you argue against it.
originally posted by: Daedalus
and this is where you go off the rails....how exactly does new legislation address the issue of existing laws not being enforced? new legislation is for new laws..which we don't need....
Sure, maybe some state laws are a little over the top, like "butcherguy's New Jersey law" that apparently getting caught with a hollow point bullet rolling haphazardly around the floorboards will get you a bullet in the back of the head by a NJ cop. (not really sure of the veracity of that law, pretty sure that violates quite a few legal precedents not to mention the bill of rights) But butcherguy is convinced of it none the less. (see paranoia above)
originally posted by: HauntWok
As I have pointed out multiple times, there will never be one law that will prevent all crime from ever happening. Stop trying to use that point, it's sad and idiotic.
As I have pointed out multiple times, it was y'all that said that the background check law was not being enforced.
Now, we have legislation that if made law would force the background check law to be enforced.
all it does is reengages this measure so that it works and therefore eliminates people like I listed in the OP from getting a firearm legally.
The gun lobby is actually fighting against this (for some stupid reason) It's actually what you say you want to happen, background checks weeding out the people that shouldn't have anything to do with firearms from obtaining them legally like the people in the OP were able to do.
But for some weird reason, you want to argue against it? Why? It's your valid point after all. I suspect that you actually understand this, because this thread has deteriorated into asinine trollish comments by the pro gun forum gang instead of actual discussion.
Yes, I am frustrated at this point. Because I have given you information after information, only to be ridiculed about my job, nit picked about crap that has nothing to do with the point at hand, when I present a new valid argument that does support my original point, it's buried in prolific postings about nonsense.
Do you all understand that gun violence in this country is an actual problem? If you do, do you understand that there are people that are working against trying to alleviate those problems while at the same time trying to not infringe on your right to keep and bear arms?
But instead, your frustrating paranoia only leads me to conclude that you don't mind all the actual gun violence that is entirely preventable in this country. That in fact, you encourage it, welcome it, and celebrate it.
Otherwise, any sane person would actually want to do something constructive about it. Like enforce background check laws that may prevent people who should not have a firearm from obtaining a firearm legally.
I get it, your a forum gang, it's your task on this website to completely disrupt topics that go against your pre-conceived ideology, any thread that pops up that is even slightly critical of the pervasive gun culture in America you descend upon like wolves hunting for the kill.
But this is an important issue in our society, and the more mass shootings that occur by people who are able to obtain a firearm legally in this country the more the public is going to want to do something to end the cycle of violence, and eventually they are going to see through your propaganda campaign and see that maybe (and I hope it doesn't happen) but maybe, we should repeal the 2nd Amendment.
I understand the need for the 2nd Amendment, I really do, a person has the right to defend themselves. However, I'm not arguing about people defending themselves, I am arguing that some people should not ever have had access to firearms because either their mental illness or their criminal background predisposes them to violence.
Sure, maybe some state laws are a little over the top, like "butcherguy's New Jersey law" that apparently getting caught with a hollow point bullet rolling haphazardly around the floorboards will get you a bullet in the back of the head by a NJ cop. (not really sure of the veracity of that law, pretty sure that violates quite a few legal precedents not to mention the bill of rights) But butcherguy is convinced of it none the less. (see paranoia above)
Y'all say we need to enforce the laws on the books, I agree, but the aren't being enforced, and by the Obama administration of all people. Hell, if FOX News and y'all are to be believed, Obama and Holder are out to personally take every gun out of every person's hand in the country, but it doesn't jive with the reality that people who shouldn't have been given access to a gun at all, are able to obtain them legally, which makes the Obama administration the single best friend of the pro gun crowd in decades in the white house.
So, go ahead, troll on pro gun forum gang, troll on, but the point is the same, you want background checks, there is a bill to do just that, and instead of fighting against it, do yourselves a favor and try the opposite approach, and maybe we can reduce the amount, severity, and frequency of these mass shootings.
originally posted by: HauntWok
Did you bother to read the bill? It's not that long, and it touches on all the key points that y'all want and this country needs. Without banning any gun, or infringing on the rights of law abiding sane gun owners.
originally posted by: macman
The "new bill" smell will compel ALL to adhere to it.............until that new smell wears off and then a newer bill will be needed.........to enforce that new bill that was to enforce the old bill that enforced the older bill.