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Think that CCW permit holder is a safe individual? Maybe not:

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posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:27 PM
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So no quote on where I said everyone needs a carry permit to be safe, huh? Just gonna gloss over that pile of horses***, huh?


originally posted by: HauntWok
The rest of us have to dance to keep from getting killed by maniacs that think their right to be armed trumps others right to life.


You keep dancing then, I will play a little music for you from my tiny violin.




posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: 3u40r15m

because those are typically "gun free zones"...as in, shooting galleries, filled with unarmed victims...

there are plenty of examples of CCW holders, and open carry holders fending off attackers in public places...



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: HauntWok
It's completely relevant, you claim that ccw is the only way to save lives.


Really? Show me where I said that. Otherwise stop making crap up.

You claim the video is faulty in its presentation, fix it and show us the results.


I do not need to fix the video, it is irrelevant to my rights. I do not have to perform gyrations and jump around like a circus monkey to take advantage of my rights as a United States citizen.
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Any houstonians wanna give this a shot? I think we could make a video that is real world

And much better

Anyone?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: Xtrozero
Training is key, but often ccw holders have little to none.


and you base this assertion on what, exactly?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

what the hell is "togtfo"?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Really? how's that?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:53 PM
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A gentle reminder...

...to play nice and keep it civil.



Consider this fair warning.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 04:06 AM
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a reply to: Daedalus

There are far less stories of ccw heroism than there are stories of legal gun owners snapping and going on mass killings.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 04:13 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: pavil

Not yet, just because they haven't yet doesn't mean they aren't going to.

Statistics say someone with a gun is more likely to shoot someone than someone without a gun.


Someone who enters the correct lotto numbers is more likely to win the lottery than someone who enters the incorrect lotto numbers.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 06:22 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

You're so blinded by your own irrational hatred towards CCW permit holders that you lash out without doing any critical thinking about the subject. I can turn nearly anything around to suit my agenda. Like the police force. How many police officers over the past six months alone have wrongly killed someone?

And as SpaDe_ aptly mentioned, the numbers of killings done by these "lunatics" are so low that it's actually a very good argument for US, the PRO CCW permit group. So I thank you for pointing that out as I have not yet seen these statistics. They will do me a favor in future arguments with the inane anti-CCW posters much like yourself in the future.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 06:34 AM
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ho hum, same old tired arguments. comparing car deaths to gun deaths is stupid. guns are designed to kill, cars are not. likewise your bricks, kitchen knives, whatever else the pro-gun fanatics regularly dish out in some bizarre attempt at placing guns in the same 'acceptably normal' category. a gun makes killing too easy. that's it. and all the guns in the world don't seem to be doing diddly for your rights. they're a fashion accessory and ego booster for sad people.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 07:48 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: Daedalus

There are far less stories of ccw heroism than there are stories of legal gun owners snapping and going on mass killings.


That is untrue. The majority of mass shooters were prohibited persons who did not acquire their firearms legally.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: RoScoLaz4

Yet cars still seem tokill more people each year

Funny how that works



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: RoScoLaz4
ho hum, same old tired arguments. comparing car deaths to gun deaths is stupid. guns are designed to kill, cars are not. likewise your bricks, kitchen knives, whatever else the pro-gun fanatics regularly dish out in some bizarre attempt at placing guns in the same 'acceptably normal' category. a gun makes killing too easy. that's it. and all the guns in the world don't seem to be doing diddly for your rights. they're a fashion accessory and ego booster for sad people.

Same old tired commentary on American rights from a British subject. We shrugged off the tyranny of the British oppressors using guns that they wished we didn't have back then.
We will never get rid of weapons completely, you can only ask that law abiding citizens give them up and be at the mercy of those who will continue to break the law.
It would be nice if we didn't have a need for weapons in our world, but the fact that humans are hard-wired in the way that they are makes that a pipe dream.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc


That is untrue. The majority of mass shooters were prohibited persons who did not acquire their firearms legally.


Actually:


The following is a compilation of mass shootings by legally armed killers:

September 27, 2012 – Andrew Engeldinger kills seven and injures one in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
August 5, 2012 – Wade Michael Page kills seven and injures three in Oak Creek, Wisconsin with a gun purchased from a federal firearms licensed dealer in nearby West Allis.
July 20, 2012 – James Holmes kills twelve and injures fifty-eight in Aurora, Colorado with guns purchased over the Internet and from gun shops.
May 20, 2012 – Ian Stawicki kills six and injures one in Seattle, Washington with guns purchased from Bull €™s Eye Shooter Supply in Tacoma, Washington.
April 2, 2012 – One L. Goh kills seven and injures three in Oakland, California with a gun purchased from Bullseye in Castro Valley, California.
February 22, 2012 – Jeong Soo Paek kills five in Norcross, Georgia.
October 14, 2011 – Scott Evans Dekraai kills eight and injures one in Seal Beach, California.
January 8, 2011 – Jared Lee Loughner kills six and injures thirteen in Tucson, Arizona with a gun purchased from Sportsman €™s Warehouse in Tucson.
August 3, 2010 – Omar Thornton kills nine and injures two in Manchester, Connecticut with guns purchased from a dealer in East Windsor, Connecticut.
November 5, 2009 – Nidal Malik Hassan kills thirteen and injures thirty in Fort Hood, Texas with a gun purchased from a gun shop in Killeen, Texas.
April 3, 2009 – Jiverly Wong kills fourteen and injures four in Binghamton, New York with guns purchased from Gander Mountain in New York.
March 29, 2009 – Robert Stewart kills eight and injures three in Carthage, California.
June 25, 2008 – Wesley Neal Higdon kills six and inures one in Henderson, Kentucky with guns purchased online and from retailers in Champlaign, Illiniois.
February 14, 2008 – Steven Phillip Kazmierczak kills six and injures twenty-one in DeKalb, Illinois with guns purchased from Tony €™s Gun & Ammo in Champaign, Illinois and from a website operated by TGSCOM, Inc.
October 7, 2007 – Tyler Peterson kills six and injures one in Crandon, Wisconsin with a gun given to him by the Forrest County Sheriff €™s Department.
April 16, 2007 – Seung-Hui Cho kills thirty-three and injures seventeen in Blacksburg, Virginia with guns purchased from a website operated by TGSCOM, Inc.
October 2, 2006 – Charles Carl Roberts kills six and injures five in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania with guns purchased from local gun stores in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania.
March 25, 2006 – Kyle Huff kills six and wounds two at a rave afterparty in Seattle, Washington with guns purchased at sporting goods stores in Kalispell, Montana.
January 30, 2006 – Jennifer Sanmarco kills eight in Goleta, California with a gun purchased from a pawn shop in Grants and Gallup, New Mexico.
March 12, 2005 – Terry Michael Ratzmann kills six and injures one in Brookfield, Wisconsin with a gun purchased from a gun dealer in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
July 8, 2003 – Douglas Williams kills seven and injures eight in Meridian, Mississippi with guns purchased from a private dealer.
February 5, 2001 – William D. Baker kills five and injures four in Melrose Park, Illinois with guns that were purchased from Pepper Sports in Glen Ellyn, Illinois.
December 26, 2000 – Michael McDermott kills seven in Wakefield, Massachusetts with guns purchased from gun stores in Massachusetts.
December 30, 1999 – Silvio Leyva kills five and injures three in Tampa, Florida with guns purchased from Big E €™s in Tampa, Florida.
November 2, 1999 – Bryan Uyesugi kills seven in Honolulu, Hawaii with a gun he legally purchased ten years earlier.
September 15, 1999 – Larry Gene Ashbrook kills eight and injures seven in Fort Worth, Texas with guns purchased from federally licensed firearms dealers seven years earlier.
July 29, 1999 – Mark O. Barton kills nine and injures thirteen in Atlanta, Georgia with guns purchased from a gun store in Warner Robins, Georgia.
March 6, 1998 – Matthew Beck kills five in Newington, Connecticut with a 9mm pistol that he had a permit for.
December 18, 1997 – Arturo Reyes Torres kills five and injures two in Orange, California with guns purchased from B&E Gun Sales in Orange County, California.
February 9, 1996 – Clifton McCree kills six and injures one in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
April 3, 1995 – James Daniel Simpson kills six in Corpus Christi, Texas.
June 20, 1994 – Dean Allen Melburg kills six and injures twenty-three in Fairchild Air Force Base, Washington.
December 7, 1993 – Colin Ferguson kills six and injures nineteen in Long Island, New York with a gun purchased at Turner €™s Outdoorsmen in California.
August 6, 1993 – Kenneth Junior French kills four and injures eight in Fayetteville, North Carolina.
July 1, 1993 – Gian Luigi Ferri kills nine and injures six in San Francisco, California with guns purchased at Super Pawn and Pacific Tactical Weapons in Las Vegas.
October 15, 1992 – John T. Miller kills five in Watkins Glen, New York with a gun purchased from Mumford Sports in Lichfield, Ohio.
May 1, 1992 – Eric Houston kills four and injures ten in Olivehurst, California with guns purchased from a local gun retailer.
November 14, 1991 – Thomas McIlvane kills five and injures five in Royal Oak, Michigan with a gun purchased from a local gun retailer.
November 1, 1991 – Gang Lu kills six and injures one in Iowa City, Iowa with a gun purchased from Fin & Feather in Iowa City, Iowa.
October 16, 1991 – George Hennard kills twenty-four and injures twenty in Killen, Texas with guns purchased from Mike €™s Gun Shop in Henderson, Nevada.
September 14, 1989 – Joseph Westbecker kills nine and injures twelve in Louisville, Kentucky with guns purchased from Tilford €™s Gun Sales in Louisville, Kentucky.
January 17, 1989 – Patrick Purdy kills six and injures thirty in Stockton, California with guns purchased from Sandy Trading Post in Sandy, Oregon on August 3, 1988, and Hunter Loan and Jewelry Co. in Stockton, California on December 28, 1988.
February 16, 1988 – Richard Farley kills seven and injures four in Sunnyvale, California with guns purchased from different sporting goods and gun stores in Northern California.
April 23, 1987 – William Cruse kills six and injures fourteen in Palm Bay, Florida with guns purchased from a gun store in Norwood, Ohio and The Oaks Trading Post in Melbourne, Florida.
August 20, 1986 – Patrick Sherrill kills fifteen and injures six in Edmond, Oklahoma with guns issued by the Oklahoma National Guard.
July 18, 1984 – James Oliver Huberty kills twenty-two and injures nineteen in San Ysidro, California.
August 20, 1982 – Carl Robert Brown kills eight and injures three in Miami, Florida with a gun purchased from Garcia Gun Center in Hialeah, Florida.


csgv.org...
No, that's not true, the majority of mass shooters were people who did obtain their firearms perfectly legally.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Sorry but an anti-gun activist blog quoting "research" by Mother Jones is the direct opposite of trustworthy data. Both have been known to lie about things, just as the original post in the other thread you started lied about "law abiding citizen" who was obviously a prohibited person.

Get some real data.
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posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

It would be impossible to show you any data that would prove to your already biased opinion that maybe guns in the hands of the mentally ill might just be a bad idea, unless it's from the NRA.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: NavyDoc

It would be impossible to show you any data that would prove to your already biased opinion that maybe guns in the hands of the mentally ill might just be a bad idea, unless it's from the NRA.


Heck, just by doing some research, I am finding that they are being disingenuous in the list. For example, picking one name at random, George Hennard, you find this:

"After graduating high school in 1974, Hennard joined the Navy, where he experienced many troubles, among them an arrest for marijuana possession and a suspension after having a racial argument with a shipmate"

He had a criminal record. He was a prohibited person. And that is just looking up a single cite on the list. The list you presented has already been shown to be false information.

In addition, none of them were licensed CCW holders, so your premise, that CCW holders are trouble is still wrong.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: NavyDoc


"After graduating high school in 1974, Hennard joined the Navy, where he experienced many troubles, among them an arrest for marijuana possession and a suspension after having a racial argument with a shipmate"

He had a criminal record. He was a prohibited person. And that is just looking up a single cite on the list. The list you presented has already been shown to be false information.


An arrest for weed is not a conviction, nor usually is it a felony.

And really? A pro gun guy having a racist argument? That's not even unusual.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 09:48 AM
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The World Burns.



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