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originally posted by: Expat888
Suggest you learn how to distinguish between anti-israel and anti-semitism .. just because people are opposed to israels crimes against humanity does not make them anti-semites . I know many jewish people who are opposed to israels actions and speak out against israel. Does that make them anti-semite ?
Stop and THINK before you buy the lies and propaganda being put out.
originally posted by: stormson
somehow this thread got misinterpreted.
my question is why/how antisemitism began? why have the jews been hated for so long? its about the idea of antisemitism without any real implications.
im aware that israel and jews are different. that one can oppose the actions of israel without being antisemitic. to oppose israel (without wanting their destruction that is) is to oppose the actions of a gov that happens to be jewish.
im just trying to figure out why this one tribe of people have become so hated/feared? as i pointed out with racism, it didnt exist in the ancient world, yet seems to start with the slave trade from africa and then the culture of being raised where blacks are inferior, and having that reinforced by keeping them poor and illiterate.
i cant find a good reason for the hatred of jews. they arent that special, just another desert tribe similar to many others, so what makes them special worthy of such animosity?
near as i can figure its because of the legend they killed christ. right or wrong it seems that thats where it started, at least as far as this thread has led.
originally posted by: schuyler
OK. I'll tell you why, even though you won't like it. I'm not Jewish. I'm not Christian. I have visited Israel one time (and Egypt and Jordan, among others.) This is why?
1. Jews are smarter than you. It's true, on average. Whether this is genetic or cultural or both doesn't really matter. The fact is they're smarter. How many Nobel prizes have Jews won? How many have Muslims won? Catch my drift?
2. Jews think they have the only true religion. It isn't Gentiles who invented the term "Gentiles." It isn't Gentiles who decreed that a male must be circumcised to be Jewish. They aren't alone in this, of course. Muslims thing they have an exclusive; so do Mormons; so do the Chinese.
3. Jews stick together. When the "disapora" shows up somewhere else, they live together to the exclusion of the host country. They're "insular" and apart from the native populations. This builds resentment because....
4. The Jews do better financially than other people. This is because of the above reasons. If a new Jew migrates to country X, he gets in touch with the established Jewish order and gets an interest free loan from a patriarch to start his business. His business does well, in part to a built-in customer base, but also because he is pretty savvy in the first place and (see number one).
So when the going gets tough the local population looks around for a scapegoat, sees the Jews are doing well, and they covet their stuff. They need someone to blame their troubles on, so they blame the Jews, who have not bothered to integrate into the society as a whole. This is their MAJOR screw-up, and where they fail to "get it" time and time again.
As a result things like the Holocaust happen.
Those are the reasons why. Arguing about it does not change these basic issues. They are not exclusive to Jews, but the Jews present the perfect storm for all these things to come together at once. It's not an accident.
originally posted by: stormson
a reply to: schuyler
while i disagree with number one, the rest of it seems valid.
i especially like the part about them being insular. the easiest way to get people to distrust/ dislike you is to set yourself apart from them.
originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: stormson
Sir, the books that they read , tell them that they are better than everyone, that they should look down on everyone, and that they should dominate everyone!
Add to this, that these books tell them about crimes, Gods, bloodlines, all manner of things, and that they are told continuously that they will be hated for being WHO they ARE.
Somehow they believe all of this, and follow the books like everyone else, and the exact things happen as they WERE TOLD,
This HAS to happen so subconsciously all of this garbage goes on, and yet they all believe this MUST HAPPEN.
Ask the Gods and Satans why all of these races and religions are battling it out forever and ever, and maybe we can figure out why.
originally posted by: beezzer
I'm just wondering. . . .
Many have claimed that they aren't anti-jewish, just anti-Zionist.
But could jews (without "Zionism") live peacefully, side-by-side with muslims?
Could a jewish state exist peacefully in a muslim dominated part of the world?
What would Israel have to do in order to stop the violence? Would they have to cede their land?