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U.S. says Russia firing artillery over border at Ukraine military

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posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 12:46 AM
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a reply to: victor7

Is it just me, or am I seeing a lot of exaggeration and sensationalizing in threads recently?

The article you are using a source for that hyperbolic claim reports that the pentagon is working on plans to do it, but the White House hasn't even begun debating whether it's a good idea or not.

I'll bet a nickel that Russia is developing plans for a full scale invasion of Ukraine and several other countries. That's what Pentagon types do, develop plans which may or may not be ever taken out of the closet.




posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:35 AM
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Just To Clarify The Meaning Of Rumors Of Wars. World War Is World War. World War II Is Word War Three Which Already Happened. Rumors Of Wars Means The Wars Are Fact But What Is Written And Typed About The Wars Are Rumors Because What Is Written Or Typed About World War One Is Actually About World War Two And What Is Written Or Typed About World War Two Is Actually About World War Three. What Is Written Or Typed About World War Three Is Rumors About A War That Already Happened And Has Already Been Written And Typed About.
edit on 27-7-2014 by IObject because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
US to give missile intelligence to Ukraine


www.liveleak.com...

US is trying very hard to provoke Russia to pick a fight.

What is this going to turn into?


Russia first occupied and then annexed Crimea at the point of gun and started a revolt (that thankfully the locals for the most part have ignored) in the east with weapons and volunteers. If the US wanted a fight with Russia have had the reason handed to them on a golden platter twice. However, the US has no intresrt in any fight with Russia. That would lead to complete collapse of Russia as a nation and chaos and civil war and that would be a mess that would spread. The US simply wants Russia to stop thinking it still rules all the other nations around it. Those days are gone. And Russia's falled leadership is leading it into becoming a poor isolated nation.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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Donetsk has to hold and not fall in Kiev's hands.

Russia has to see to it that Donetsk holds.

Otherwise, next thing Kiev would do is create problems on Crimea status.


And where is Donetsk located...That's right Ukraine a country Russia has no say in as they aren't part of Russia anymore.

And as far as Crimea...It has been proven by the Russian government I might add that the vote was a farce, and in case you forgot it is still located in Ukraine, but I guess you forgot that little part.



There is local strong support otherwise rebels would have been chased out by counter militia.


Here you may not want to read this then...

www.kyivpost.com...



While being conventionally not equal to NATO, Russia is not afraid of military confrontation with NATO or even group of alliances.



If you say so...



Russia has EXTREMELY FEARSOME weapons that can destroy the earth many times over.


So do many other countries as they are called nuclear weapons, unless you know of something worse and then I would have to question where you got that info from.



NATO and West should sober up and focus on internal affairs rather than poking nose in the matters of other countries let alone Technologically Advanced major powers.


Technologically advanced major powers...obviously you are talking about a different country because Russia is far from being a Technically advannced super power. Also if they are so technically advanced why would they have to buy ships from another country and not use some of that technical advancement to build their own ships?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: charles1952




I'll bet a nickel that Russia is developing plans for a full scale invasion of Ukraine and several other countries.


Or, they already have the plans mapped out starting with Georgia or even before that, and ending when they think they can put the old Russian federation together.

That is Putin's end all results before he is unable to do so.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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Russia first occupied and then annexed Crimea at the point of gun and started a revolt (that thankfully the locals for the most part have ignored) in the east with weapons and volunteers. If the US wanted a fight with Russia have had the reason handed to them on a golden platter twice. However, the US has no intresrt in any fight with Russia. That would lead to complete collapse of Russia as a nation and chaos and civil war and that would be a mess that would spread. The US simply wants Russia to stop thinking it still rules all the other nations around it. Those days are gone. And Russia's falled leadership is leading it into becoming a poor isolated nation.
a reply to: MrSpad

Crimean case is done and dusted with. Any attempts to take it from Russia will be a disaster for the whole world. Period!

Which two occasions did US ignore a fight with Russia? Need little explanation here.

Only now and finally, Russia is looking in the right direction of BRICS. Whole of 90s and 10s it was either outright begging or plain flattering the west to join its club and was shunned and even pushed around. Lessons hard learned. Shift of the global centre of economic gravity is towards Asia and EuroAsia now. Russia sits as a prominent player in that region. That is why US and West want to overpower Russia and destroy it as a nation. US is trying to destroy Russia economically without fight a war. But will fight a war if it comes to that.

Russia does not thinks that it owns the former Soviet republics. Only thing it wants is to them NOT join a hostile alliance. Until they try to do so, Russia does not do anything liky bullying etc.

Regarding Eastern theater, People are not blind and mad. They seek their own welfare first. Hence with no strong support from Russia, people are not going to pick mere assault rifles and bricks and shoes and fight the tanks and air powers. This is where Russia faltered. If it had recognized the DPR and even given them $1B of weapons, then ATO would not have occurred as the loss expectation would have been very high for Kiev. With strong weapons at hand and good odds in favor, the general population of DPR would have risen and joined the formal army etc. No one in right mind wants to become a cannon fodder and people chose the right option.

$100B or around has left Russia so far this year alone in form of capital flight as a result of corruption from the state funds. 1% of this i.e. $1B in form of weapons to DPR would have changed the battle equation and thus the political outcome.

Till the time Putin gets control over corruption and oligarchs like power concentration in few elite hands, the only hope for Russia will be the energy prices. Saddist drunk bastard culture in Russian top levels has been there for centuries. Thanks to internet and cable television, some learning from US/West culture is taking place. However, first the bad traits are almost always followed and in Russian case it is not much different.




posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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So do many other countries as they are called nuclear weapons, unless you know of something worse and then I would have to question where you got that info from.
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

These weapons are not nukes. The good point for you is that most probably US also has them, so no fear. The only thing is either side can GUARANTEE that fighting will NOT result in ONE side winning and toasting over the Champagne.

The whole earth will be destroyed, so no use fighting and poking the other on the face etc.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 01:01 PM
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Situation in Donetsk is bad, town after town after falling.

It is speculated that REPRESSION will arrive in Russia once the East Ukraine has fallen. This REPRESSION will be to control the voices that would blame Kremlin for not helping the East Ukraine rebels.

West will try its hardest to send the NGOs to create troubles and Kremlin will reply with tight measures.

New Cold War is already here !




posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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Crimean case is done and dusted with. Any attempts to take it from Russia will be a disaster for the whole world. Period!


Only in Russia's eyes is it done.

Well then please enlighten us as to how this would be, because unless they are going to use nukes it will not affect the whole world.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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It is speculated that REPRESSION will arrive in Russia once the East Ukraine has fallen.


Will arrive, I am pretty sure it has been and is still very prevalent in Russia today...


In 2012 the Russian government made a public commitment to adhere to the Olympic principles of non-discrimination, equality, inclusion, respect and mutual understanding and to promote human rights during the Winter Olympics and beyond.
However, a number of laws brought in by the Russian authorities since then do exactly the opposite. There has been a crackdown on freedom of speech and expression, interference with the work of independent civil society leading to closure of NGOs and open discrimination against the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex community.


www.amnesty.org...

Sorry but there is no way to hide the repression in the Soviet Union anymore, especially with the internet nowadays.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: victor7

You really dig that, don't you? The repression thing...seems to be your cup of tea.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: bbracken677

Yes, over the centuries Russians have known little other than 'hard and tough' leadership.

Sadly, the rule of law when implemented in West is called "Glorious Democracy" but outside if rule of law is imposed with strictness it is called Repression.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: victor7

LoL really? Is that how it is?

How about the lack of freedoms? Russia has often lacked the freedom of speech, freedom of religion to name a couple..

That is called repression...not rule of law imposed strictly. You make it sound like a stern father figure instead of a murderous authoritarian dictatorship.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 10:01 PM
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You make it sound like a stern father figure instead of a murderous authoritarian dictatorship.





Awesome description for current Kiev regime, a murderous authoritarian dictatorship. You might add 'made and sponsored by US'.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 10:06 PM
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Crimean case is done and dusted with. Any attempts to take it from Russia will be a disaster for the whole world. Period!


Quite a silly thing to say, really. Two years ago, "Crimean case was done and dusted with." But Russia decided to invade, conquer, and annex any way.

It wasn't all that long ago that the Soviet Union was firmly established and would be permanent "done and dusted with." It appears that Putin, and some of his supporters, miss the good old days, and want it all back.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 10:39 PM
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originally posted by: cosmonova

You make it sound like a stern father figure instead of a murderous authoritarian dictatorship.





Awesome description for current Kiev regime, a murderous authoritarian dictatorship. You might add 'made and sponsored by US'.


In fact I want to say that it fits well with the US #1 position in the world, toying with small and vulnerable nations and ending up killing 100s of thousands and blowing up cities.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 07:57 AM
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You might also add: made by conditions fostered by the previous repressive communist dictatorships dating back to pre-WWII.

When the Soviet Union broke up I suppose the US made all those portions of the USSR who wanted self-determination. The US may be guilty of much, but this smacks of drunken history.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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Awesome description for current Kiev regime, a murderous authoritarian dictatorship. You might add 'made and sponsored by US'.


And I might add...democratically elected by the people and recognized by Putin.

Oh and the parliament is still there from the prior pro Russian president, so they were they considered murderous before the new president was elected?

And just so you know the person the US backed didn't win the election. But that doesn't matter does it?



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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Reports of lots of Russian machines crossing into Ukraine. It seems Russia is upping the ante here and would like the Kiev forces pretty occupied for next few months atleast.

Russia should send in artillery guns and grads to rebels so that any advancing Junta forces get a good welcome at every 5-10 miles and get finished even before reaching any town or city.

Btw, reports of "at random" shelling on the civilian areas in Horlivka. 15 civilians killed and many injured. This is outright war crime.

This has to stop. Going after rebels does not mean the whole town residential blocks are leveled to ground.



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 05:28 PM
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Reports of lots of Russian machines crossing into Ukraine. It seems Russia is upping the ante here and would like the Kiev forces pretty occupied for next few months atleast.


Any source for that, because if true it only strengthens the thing everyone already knows and that being Russia is supporting the seperatists.

Introducing Russian military hardware or even troops(even though they are already there) on Ukraine soil that changes how the world reacts and the game will be changing.







 
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