Vatican ready to make a statement on extraterrestrial life?

Unless there could somehow be absolute, incontrovertible, case-closed proof of the existence of a Single Creator of the entire universe, any statement from the Vatican, if applicable, to the effect of, "We're all creations of the same God" is nothing other than religious bias that's (by definition) not anything resembling credible.

Next thing you know they would say that ETs too would be qualified to "accept Jesus as their personal savior" and that his alleged blood sacrifice would equally be the ultimate credit card/lightning rod for their sins. There is no verbal expression for the level of ignorance and arrogance in all religious doctrine/dogma. Barf-o-rama as always.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
Why in the world would anyone care what the Vatican thinks about extraterrestrial life?

The Catholic Church has completely lost ALL credibility.

Simply because they still have a lot of influence, and of the top reasons disclosure may not be occurring, religion would probably be near the top of that list. Barriers have to be broken down, and broad acceptance of the idea of extraterrestrial life being a reality need to happen before anything in the know would disclose to the world.

Just look at many of the fanatical acts carried out in the name of religion on a daily basis. If there was ever a group of people that need easing into the idea of alien life or alien visitation.. it's that group.

originally posted by: fleabit
Simply because they still have a lot of influence, and of the top reasons disclosure may not be occurring...

'Disclosure' is nothing more than a Psy-Op...

Just like religion, the true purpose behind it is suppression and manipulation.

The entire ET scenario DEPENDS on an illusion.

The truth about this subject has always been covered up in order to hide the REAL stealth agenda behind it.

The real disclosure happened decades ago.

• Research by Dr. Roger Leir, Jacques Vallee, LA Marzulli, Joe Jordan, etc. is irrefutable and shows that deception is in fact taking place and solid proof is being covered up.

• Because of the "gubmints" involvement in the ET agenda, direct admission from them will NEVER happen.

• Aliens have already made themselves known to thousands of abductees who have been kidnapped, molested, and surgically implanted.

Ex-MUFON researcher Joe Jordan is often attacked because he is one of the few who are exposing the deception of other researchers who are covering up the truth about this.

"We got a coverup among the researchers themselves that people are relying on for the truth" ~ Joe Jordan

The "Disclosure" project is funded heavily by Rothschild. Steven Greer is not who he claims to be, he is working for the CIA. The CIA knows people want answers and wants this technology made public. With that notion, the CIA decided to stack the deck. They created the disclosure project and threw money at it left and right. The disclosure project is to slow people down, it was created to give people a false hope for "disclosure". If we leave "disclosure" up to the disclosure project it will never happen. Please realize this people. The Disclosure Project is not real, its fake, and its created to fool people like you and I. Its time for a revolution.

Disclosure Project Is Fake

originally posted by: one4all
As far as Disclosure goes that term and its focus are now being used in a suppressionist manner to keep people thinking nothing has been found or has been made available to them,it is a Psy-Op.

You see the reality and truth is that Disclosure is only possible if there is a secret being kept, this is not about any secrets being kept because all of the data Humanity needs is out there and has been for 1000s of years recorded everywhere, this is about SUPPRESSION and MANIPULATION.

Simply using the word Disclosure now facilitates the SUPPRESSORS by drawing attention away from them,by making everyone chase shadows and their own tails,while TPTB try to strain everything they can off of the internet to stay ahead of the curve of the general population.

If the Vatican goes forth with a statement n the ET life and that statement is more than acknowledgement of microbial-animal life on remote billions of planets, ...then we may talk of getting things done that have been delayed for centuries. God's kingdom spoken of by Jesus Christ al the time (in recorded verses) to be put in practice sidelining pretty earthly and ungodly affairs that took all the history of Christianity up until now. We can talk of crossing the barrier between promised wishful things of afterlife, and the reality here and now.

How otherwise the Churches (not only Catholic) will prove to the rest of the world their righteousness in dogmatic, if they can't put it in practice for centuries? They risk to run irrelevant, as some already do.

The apparent differences between the old Vatican guard and the new pope and his people, come to tell us the change in Church(es) starts from the top. But it should not end there.

I remember clearly the interviews of Mgr Balducci, top Vatican demonologist at the time, and those of Fr Funes, spanned for more than a decade that shaped a different world view expressed by top Catholic scholars and astronomers. A worldview that Galileo would be proud of.

That time was lost in words and no actions. The faithful catholics (and not only) got used to some strange interviews how hypothetically the ET might have a soul and might even be more evolved spiritually than us somewhere between us and the angels (Balducci). Nothing practical came from that talk. Nobody paid the bills every month, as a result of those public confessions of mgr Balducci (apparently approved by the top - then pope John Paul II).

We don't have more time to allot to words alone. I expect bold actions from this pope and his aides. He should be supported in that by all people of good will regardless of their religion. The world needs it.

Nobody needs Cold War-2 or WW3, or Great Depression-2, etc. Let make the difference, starting from ourselves. In the case of the Church, it should start from the hierarchy -bishops and priests, and not to expect common people to be more educated from secular sources, such as Ancient Aliens. It is absurd situation when common faithful could turn on the TV and learn more about the Arc and the Original Sin than what the pastors tell on Sunday homilies. Who teaches whom? I know the pope knows that an takes measures. Thanks be to God if that is the case.

Demonization doesn't really help. If someone knows of an evil ET group, let post everything about that particular ET group. Let please do not export the problem over ALL countless ETs who are here or nearby to help us. Or perhaps such people don't want to be helped in first place? Perhaps they want armageddon-like scenario to be experienced in their own lifetimes?

Whoopty doo... Statements About this don't mean much

Sounds like its just hypotheticals on aliens as a way to keep the religion going.

a reply to: knoledgeispower They said post pubecent with all caps on POST as in its not pedophilia as pedophilia is attraction to prepubecent children is what they were saying although im not gonna bother fact checking the statement they made as i am only correcting your way of reading into them wrong. They did not make a comparison like presumed.

originally posted by: 3u40r15m
Whoopty doo... Statements About this don't mean much

You mean the expected statement of the Vatican? It would be a bombshell when it occurs. They are too late I think.

ooohhh.....the Vatican is going to make a statement!!!!...ooohh...the only statement that would last longer than 1 news cycle is that they have made contact...even Catholics don't pay that much attention to what comes out of the Vatican these days, let alone the rest of the world.

The vatican has for many years (But of course before they burned the people who did also ) had an observatory and have been interested in the cosmos and unlike many people they do not think they are demons so maybe they will do a good thing and give us evidence of alien life who knows?.
But I want to hear the statement before passing judgement on it so instead of bickering about rubbish lets wait and see.
Btw is this an actual thing or is it the OP's guess?.

a reply to: jimmyx

perhaps it is exactly this, the contact has already taken place. Someone must finally admit it. Apart of the states, the Roman Catholic Church is may be the only religious structure capable of doing it. There are others but they are not that far in that kind of research and don't want to get into trouble before the public Et contact occurs. RCC has historic motivation to do it first, to open the new page of its own history. Therefore the billions spent on telescopes and research. If RCC is not the first to announce it, it will be the first church to approve it. And that is something good.

a reply to: boymonkey74

you may read the OP post and links. It is definitely not my own guess. It is Dr Michael Salla's and others' guesses. Being so close to Vatican people, Perhaps they are advised to guess so in advance.

The pope already talked of Martians with big noses and ears, already surpassing what was given as info/statement by the jesuit Fr Funes. The Grey are closer to humans on earth than the Martian of the pope.

So Dr Salla's article is nothing out of touch with reality, it is based on what is going on as a process. Not always posted on CNN frontpage, as they did with the recent NASA conference of life in the Universe. It is easy to go unnoticed. And then to assume a blank start with nothing said before, with all hypotheses, denounces, doubts etc put again on the table.

As every next thread has to answer almost the same questions already discussed and answered. The process of learning is a good one though.

As already said, Fr. Consolmagno one of the jesuits-astronomers will speak at September 18-19, 2014 astrobiology symposium organized by NASA and the Library of Congress. Perhaps he will talk of the same issues Fr Funes and the pope already talked about.

For those who seek a better source than examiner.com, here is the original article of Dr Salla posted in his website exopolitics.org... Michael Salla is a frequent poster in examiner.com and it is nothing new he posts one same article here and there.

a reply to: 2012newstart

The pope already talked of Martians with big noses and ears, already surpassing what was given as info/statement by the jesuit Fr Funes. The Grey are closer to humans on earth than the Martian of the pope.

I think that was Pope Francis' joking way of making it clear that he was talking about "extraterrestrial aliens", not "illegal aliens" when he used the term alien. Though he is flippant, I think that he's intelligent enough to know that there are no Martians, and if there were (or had been) we have no idea what they might look like.

a reply to: adjensen

Who knows? If you watch the presentation of Bob Dean that I posted, you might change your view. It is in the middle, right after the pictures of 5 mile long ship. It sounds as sci fi. Henry Deacon talks about that too. Not exactly martians as depicted on early sci-fi, rather underground presence on Mars from elsewhere.

Sure the pope is not only intelligent, but also he knows more things than we do.

Scientists have identified 101 distinct geysers erupting on Saturn's icy moon Enceladus. Their analysis suggests it is possible for liquid water to reach from the moon's underground sea all the way to its surface!
Images & video: go.nasa.gov...
Video: saturn.jpl.nasa.gov...
Astronomical Journal paper: iopscience.iop.org...
Astronomical Journal companion paper: iopscience.iop.org...

CNN edition.cnn.com...
This discovery puts Enceladus in an exclusive club of extraterrestrial worlds in the solar system that appear to have a subsurface water ocean. The others are Titan, another moon of Saturn, and Europa, a moon of Jupiter. Callisto and Ganymede, also moons of Jupiter, may also have oceans under ice.

Does it mean the life is possible even within the borders of the Solar system, the outer Solar system? Such a discovery will break many taboos, not only in religion but also in science that trumped for too long the Solar system (except Earth itself) is empty of any present day life above the microbial.

So we're expected to believe in a statement about something that, as of yet, has not been proven to exist, from an establishment that has survived for over 2000 years on the premise that something, that has not been proven to exist, exists.

hmmmmmm......

Truth_Hz

The nearest stars with planets in habitable zones as near as 7 light years?

Habitable Earth-Like Exoplanets Might Be Closer Than We Think
by NANCY ATKINSON on MARCH 13, 2013
Read more: www.universetoday.com...
Size might matter when it comes to stars having habitable environments for planets, and in this case smaller might be better, as well as closer to Earth. A new study indicates that low mass stars may be the most abundant planet hosts in our galaxy. And since these smaller stars like M-dwarfs are plentiful, the number of potentially habitable planets could be greater than previously thought.
“We now estimate that if we were to look at 10 of the nearest small stars we would find about four potentially habitable planets, give or take,” said Ravi Kopparapu from Penn State University. “That is a conservative estimate,” he added. “There could be more.”

Additionally, since M-dwarfs are more common than Sun-like stars, it means more of them can be observed.
Moreover, there are M-dwarfs located relatively close to Earth, which makes it easier to study any planet that may be orbiting these stars.
“The average distance to the nearest potentially habitable planet is about seven light-years,” Kopparapu said. “That is about half the distance of previous estimates.”

Read more: www.universetoday.com...

It is not strange that RCC and its headquarters in Vatican (although not all people under the brand "Vatican"!!!) take the lead into exoplanetary research. The expensive telescopes are coupled with scholars both theologians and astronomers who explain in a plain language (even primitive at times) how the Universe created by God is just too large and how there isn't anything strange, or sinful, if God created other beings of flesh and blood. That backed by the latest discoveries of exoplanets that may sustain life having liquid water and other habitable conditions.

It is not strange because in its history RCC elite had quite many sources of knowledge not available to the common citizens at that time. As for example the books of Babylonians, Egyptians, etc. In other words, what today is made as scientific discovery hard proved by multi-million telescopes, yesterday was a secret knowledge in books that were officially banned. Who wrote that hidden knowledge then? If the honest researcher reaches to that question, I'd suggest watching critically some episodes of Ancient Aliens. And critical evaluation of all the info that is offered on the surface.

Whether the exoplanets were known in secret for centuries, or are they discovered for a first time today, it doesn't matter so much. Now we have the bare truth out there in the skies, reachable by telescopes.

Remains only They to come in the sky in open contact, not in suspicious lights in the night. If we still discuss, it is because we still haven't reached to that moment of human history. Then the current discussion will be obsolete.

Rome people are several moves ahead and they already speak, what if that happens.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: TheChrome

The Bible clearly writes about other intelligent beings who are not just "good", they are much better than Adam's descendants and much higher in many ways. Read Ezekiel 1. On many important occasions in history they are God's messengers sent to earth. One of them being the messenger of Jesus' incarnation, Gabriel sent to Mary.

Of course the Bible speaks also of the fallen ones. Let not mess these two distinctive groupings.

Humans are far not the only intelligent being in the Universe. The Bible is not the only book speaking of it. But even if you disregard all the other sources, you can find the necessary amount of key info in the Bible.

I wonder why more preachers do not preach about Ezekiel 1, after the pope's green light. Ezekiel 1 is a clear description of technologically advanced intelligent race who are both "good" and "sent by God"to the prophet. In all, the preachers should not await people in forums to tell that first. It is what happens today in practice. Common people's awareness is greater than that of the appointed ones. At least now those in position should finally see the truth and realize their duty requires they speak of the truth, not to cover it with inadequate wordings that belong to past ages. Or they become as salt that has lost its saltiness and is not good for anything.

I'm not sure what your debate is. I agree there is spirit life as Gabriel and such. Angels are an advanced intelligent race, but not of our realm. My comments are directed towards physical beings, and not to spiritual beings.

originally posted by: TheChrome
Angels are an advanced intelligent race, but not of our realm. My comments are directed towards physical beings, and not to spiritual beings.

First of all, I don't confront you, I just provide more info for the readers, and this is my last post in this thread as well.

I am afraid all that text of spiritual and physical is grossly messed up thanks to centuries misinterpretation and outright re-writings of the Gospels. What is an angel? Can a spiritual being turn away the stone on the tomb of Jesus? BTW the angels in the Gospel are no where said to have wings. They fly in the atmosphere with wings? That is a late centuries interpretation for illiterate people. How could an angel free from prison Peter, and transport Phillip from Gaza? Those are all physical manifestations, the few the Gospels writers permitted inside the books centuries later. If the so called Angels can do that, they can do many more things. As for example transporting people from here to Alfa Centauri. The Gospels are intentionally cleared from such kind of information. What is the Bethlehem star if that "star" can follow a dusty country road? No celestial body do that. It should be very near to the surface to be able to show the exact way to the magi. We would call it today UFO.

It is a time the religious who know all of that for quite some time, to speak out that LOUDLY to the people.

I will repeat again, read Ezekiel chapter one without any presumptions. It clearly speaks of technology involved along with the beings described there. Our knowledge is very limited, and certainly the knowledge of people in that time.

Erich von Daniken is a renowned researcher on Bible, Angels, flying chariots. There is coming a major conference "Contact in the desert" Aug 8-11, Erich von Daniken and others will speak. You could search his previous works online.

September 18-19 there is another major conference organized by NASA and the Library of Congress on which a jesuit astronomer from Vatican will speak about the spiritual dimensions and consequences of possible life on other planets. I forgot the exact name of that conference, but you can google or check my other threads and previous posts where I certainly quoted it exactly with links.

Good journey with the information I posted for all the interested readers! To accept extraterrestrials' existence (there are both good and bad as we humans are), doesn't mean to reject God, spirits of saints in heaven or ...higher dimensional arch- angels that are above the ET many times over. For whoever listens let he understand.

This is my last post in this thread and I think I did enough, without a single penny as reward. God knows. I will not have more time to respond to certain people whose only purpose is to reject facts without the need to reason. Or pre-programmed views that never change no matter what amount of evidence is presented. Perhaps their motivations are different from mine. Anyway.

I expect some development by Vatican and pope even before the Sept 18 conference. Perhaps it will follow soon the more secular sources as they appear in the public space.