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posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 03:24 AM
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Ok i am fairly new to the ats website. ive been reading on here for about a month or so and have only posted a few messages. i have been reading alot about the nwo. i have a few questions


1. how long has the nwo conspiricy been around.

2. who were the original members.

3. who are the current members.

4. what is their exact purpose

5. how will they accomplish this

6. will it affect anyone in a negative manner

7. what are the signs the nwo is on the verge of forming

8. can the nwo be stopped and if so, how do we do it.



all responses welcome, give me your opinions on this subject. i want people to break down their thoughts on what is gonna happen. i havnt yet formed an opinion of what i exactly feel is gonna happen. but i have a good idea.

Edit: all-caps title

[edit on 3-12-2004 by Spectre]




posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 09:30 AM
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It's a very deep well. The answers to your questions are too complex and too lengthy to put into a few posts. You need to do some research and reading for yourself, then, once you have a base knowledge of the theories and facts available, come back with more pointed questions on specific issues.

As your first step, you might want to check out here for a list of some sites that contain the information you are looking for.

Good luck and welcome to ATS.


Edit: Oh, and I think there's a rule somewhere against ALLCAPS thread titles.

[edit on 2004/12/3 by wecomeinpeace]



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 10:29 AM
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Well i am FSME of the New World Order, so you can ask me any question you like. Check out all my FSME threads i have made then feel free to U2U me any questions you may have



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 11:59 AM
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Have any of you seen The Capitalist Conspiracy. I downloaded it a few days ago from here

conspiracy.hopto.org:6969...

It is a allegedly a NWO documentry from late 60s and seems to be legit

It has some excellent info on it which i am going to research

I agree with steveo42 in the linked thread and to be honest NWO is the wrong name.

i'm pretty sure the NATO countries are ran by shadow government that meets at CFR and the Bilderberg group that is using the international institutions they set up after WW2 to privitise and therefore own the world.


How much deeper than that it goes I don't know.

There is so much info/dis-info its hard to know whats real.

Also has anyone seen Globalism: the Program

Its a presentation by General Benton K. Partin I'm trying to download now will let you know if any good.



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by joe751

1. how long has the nwo conspiricy been around.

0 Seconds, possibly less


2. who were the original members.

Ask the people on the right and its internationalist commernits, as the people on the left and its autocratic facists, as the greens and it 'beeg busyness'


3. who are the current members.

International big business men who like parades


4. what is their exact purpose

Establishment of a one world government


5. how will they accomplish this

Apparently their tactics up to date include doing nothing and not doing anything


6. will it affect anyone in a negative manner

Probably won't affect anyone at all


7. what are the signs the nwo is on the verge of forming

Everythign you see around you right now. This is of course the same answer as it was 20 years ago, 50 years ago, etc etc.


8. can the nwo be stopped and if so, how do we do it.

No. The very ability to be able to attempt global take over and installing anythign close to a totalitarian global order means its too powerful to be stopped.




i want people to break down their thoughts on what is gonna happen.


The NWO does not exist, therefore nothing will happen. NWOers will say that its comming anyday now, and that don't won't come.



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 04:54 PM
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ive been doing alot of reading about the nwo. but i have yet to find a full length opinion or (how do i put this) and educated guess on how exactly all of this will go down. if someone wants to u2u your opinion on the 8 questions i asked, i mean if it is to big for the forum, i have read quite a bit, but i dont think i have educated myself enough yet to come up with my own hypothesis as to what is going to happen. i hear anything from aliens to the rockefellers are involved. so that is pretty widespread area to cover. if we could only narrow it down. even though this would be a pretty lengthy forum, i would like to make it a place where people can give a detailed overlay of what they exactly feel is going to transpire when the nwo (suppposedly)takes over. but if not that is fine, thx for the links infinite and all.



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 06:48 PM
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Hi Joe.

First keep studying, you will find what you want. This is a great website, so just keep posting and reading.

If you want u2u me and ask what you want.




posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
It's a very deep well.

As your first step, you might want to check out here for a list of some sites that contain the information you are looking for.

Good luck and welcome to ATS.


[edit on 2004/12/3 by wecomeinpeace]



Thats a smart & goodly list...& just to add a few more, that has some time tested and factual & trustworthy factoids...check out this NWO section
at this web-site; www.plim.org...

a brief scan (compared with the links & sites in the welcomeinpeace hyperlinks)....shows this:
*CENTRE for Research on Globalization
* Skull & Bones, Secret Society ( ctrl.org... )



posted on Dec, 3 2004 @ 08:00 PM
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You might want to read over this thread for things NWO related, on the last page, last entery you will find a commentary by me about the NWO and my opinion.

Have you tried a search yet?



posted on Dec, 4 2004 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio
(compared with the links & sites in the welcomeinpeace hyperlinks)....


I feel I should emphasize here that the link I provided was to a thread containing NWO information hyperlinks compiled by Infinite, who is the Forum Subject Matter Expert on the NWO. I do not wish to take credit for another's efforts.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 06:48 AM
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thx advisor, for the links. i have been reading and reading, and honestly dont think their is enough time in the day to read everything pertaining to the nwo. but i will keep absorbing all of this as long as i can. and i will one day come up with my own theory if one even exists. and i have not tried a search, how do i go about doing that.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 07:12 AM
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Just search on google and you will find millions upon millions of sites about the new world order. If that doesnt help e-mail me and ill take you under my wing and try to explain things



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 09:24 AM
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I wouldn't say there are any facts that coud answer your question. Just alot of speculation.



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 09:48 AM
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Now, to be fair, you DID ask, and I DO have a God Complex and plans for World Domination...


Originally posted by joe751
1. how long has the nwo conspiricy been around.


It stands to reason there are many NWO-type plans and societies out there. However, mine is the only one I have concrete facts and figures on. The very first concept for my NWO began shortly after my birth in 1975. The first words out of my mouth were "Mine!". At the time, I was hugging the ground. By the time I was five, I had already begun plotting, drawing maps of invasion lines, and designing the perfect governmental system under my rule.


Originally posted by joe751
2. who were the original members.


Around 1991, when I first got my driver's license, some friends and I drove out to Dallas, at night, marvelling at one of the most distinctive features of the Dallas Skyline---the Green Building. You may have seen it, in person, movies, or photos of Dallas:


(the tallest building in the center)

We decided then and there it was to be our icon... and every time we drove by, we would say "Oh, Green Building, tell me who to kill!" Now, we never actually killed anyone, to our knowledge, but it was a good way to know who was in on the joke. Eventually, enough people got in on it that we became "The Cult of the Green Building..."

Later, in 1994, when I attended the University of Texas at Austin, a friend and I were talking about the Cult of the Green Building in a Coffee Shop at Mojo's Daily Grind, on The Drag, which gathered the attention of those around us, and we switched subjects to ex-girlfriends and bad jobs. Some of the other men in the establishment piped in with their own stories, each more bitter than the last. It was so much fun, we did it the next night, and the next, and the next, each time gaining some new patrons around our table. We soon became known as "The Bitter Male Society," and had around 20 or so rotating members, who came on nights they had free, so at any time, we'd have around 5-10 people there. Eventually, we made it official...almost a club, and since I was the original table-sitter, I was appointed head of the BMS. However, Bruce Campbell's character Ash, from "The Army of Darkness" was the official President, by our election.

Anyway, I now had a small group to work with... and came up with the idea of simply being up front with people about my plans for World Domination. If they agreed to support me in my quest, I would ensure they received an extra potato ration, once the time comes. If they fought for me, then they would receive mayorship of a city (there are more than enough cities on the Earth to provide a fulfillment to the promises).

So, the Bitter Male Society became a front for my supporters in my quest to start the NWO... eventually a web site went up (now defunct), where Bitter Males from across the world could join up, and share their own stories. Over 2,000 members had joined before I moved to Seattle and lost the password to the site (which has since been taken down). A new page went up, and another 5,000 joined up, the records of which were lost when I ended up rather poor and couldn't pay the ISP for a few months straight.

So... technically, I have around 7000+ members, but no record of how to reach them... they'll just have to wait for my rise to power.


Originally posted by joe751
3. who are the current members.


I could name a few, but there is no way I can remember the 7,000+ members, and additionally, the Fight Club effect may have caused splinter cells throughout the world. For all I know, there's a John Frum Cargo Cult island out there somewhere, worshipping me as a deity.


Originally posted by joe751
4. what is their exact purpose


Well, really, it's just World Domination. I figure most of the problems with the world woudl be solved if I were in absolute power. I plan to be a benign dictator, but a ruthless one as well. My regime will not tolerate infighting, intolerance, or ignorance. We will require a license to breed, which will consist of a basic intelligence test as well as an assessment on their ability to care for children. Crack whores, for instance, will be allowed to exist, but not allowed to breed, until they clean up, stay clean, and become educated enough to do things like basic reading and writing and arithmatic.

People who stubbornly remain ignorant will be put on potato farms, or if they show enough intellect to handle it, as techs in saccharine labs, so that they are at least made useful enough to keep themselves and the rest of the world fed.

As long as a country can keep order, and agrees to fealty, they'll all pretty much be allowed to run themselves however they want. If they want to be run by democratic election, cool, if they want to be led by Muslim Clerics, cool, if they want some sorta Emporer, that's cool too. As long as they know who their boss is (Me) at the end of the day, everything will be fine.

Overall, our goal will be Interstellar Travel and Exploration with Peaceful intent, but viciously mercantile.


Originally posted by joe751
5. how will they accomplish this


A magician never reveals his tricks, and a successful Evil Overlord never reveals his plans.


Originally posted by joe751
6. will it affect anyone in a negative manner


Not really. I mean, people with their head up their arse will no longer be able to obtain management positions, or hold government offices, but they'll be made useful. No minority group (or majority group) is going to be oppressed or made to feel like 2nd class citizens. World Hunger should no longer be a problem thanks to constraints on breeding, and Peace will be very strictly enforced. Liberty won't be lost, because I frankly don't care what people do with their lives, as long as they don't try to impose it on others. However, the world must have a leader, and laws, so there will be enough to keep the peace. Emmigration and Immigration will be freely allowed, unless it seriously destabilizes a country, in which case a task force will be developed to assess how to most reasonably deal with the issue, yet allow people to go where they want.

Any other concerns, I'll be happy to address...


Originally posted by joe751
7. what are the signs the nwo is on the verge of forming


Right now, the NWO is on hold because I am taking a bride next year, and we must make the ceremonial preparations. But when you hear people referring to The Green Building, you will know them for my followers...


Originally posted by joe751
8. can the nwo be stopped and if so, how do we do it.


Like I'm gonna tell you!

But seriously, would you really want to stop me? I mean, it's not like your life, or anyone you know, will change drastically, unless they oppose me. In fact, if you support me early on, you will get preferential treatment. I suppose if you just really feel determined to set yourself to the task of derailing my plans, you could invent a potato-plague that would eradicate the crop from the Earth, but then I'd just have to use the ignorant for food, in lieu of farmers...



posted on Dec, 9 2004 @ 12:37 PM
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1. how long has the nwo conspiricy been around.


I cannot give a number, but I can tell you this, too long. I personally believe it began thousands of years ago during the holy Roman empire, because in recorded history, this is when a transnational governing entity formed, and it is due to the Roman empire, then subsequently the British empire, that we are in the globalized age. The ruling blood lines have remained the same since.


2. who were the original members.


It is difficult to answer this, because as I said the exact time the plans for the NWO began is unknown.


3. who are the current members.


Technically, we are all members of the NWO, because without our support, it cannot exist. The structure of this organization is highly compartmentalized, though as a rule of thumb, you can refer to it as pyramids within pyramids, where each layer, encompasses all the main departments of society, and as you move higher, the more knowledge, awareness and power you yield.

The actual elected governments and leaders are not the highest, in fact most probably, lower layers of a further comparmentalized shadow government.


4. what is their exact purpose


To establish a facist One World Government, an oligarchy of men-god elites with super-technology, while maintaining and micromagaging a small slave/worker population, enhanced with technology, and linked cybernetically to a hive-mind.


5. how will they accomplish this


To do this, they have planned the following:

1. Global genocide, through AIDS, population control, mass sterlization, natural disaster, famine, disease and wars. Since the beginning of the 20th century, this has been in full effect and millions have been killed.

3. The establishment of a facist state by suspending the constitution and bill of rights, using the pretext of war on terrorism.

2. WWIII, through destabalization of the world, instrumented by neo-imperialistic US policy in the guise of war on terrorism, triggering a global nuclear conflict. The NWO's main aim is to cause a three way war between US, Russia and China. You can expect WWIII after US invades Iran.


6. will it affect anyone in a negative manner


Yes, it will affect everyone, irrespective of where you are in the world, in a negative manner. There will be nuclear, chemical and biological weapon poisoning everywhere. There will be war and civil wars everywhere. We are talking global holocausts.


7. what are the signs the nwo is on the verge of forming



WACO
WTO Seattle riots
9/11
The Miami Riots
The Portland riots
Homeland security
Fraudulent elections
Patriot Act I and II and 9/11 commision bill
The UK civil contingencies bill
Making protesting a criminal offence
National ID card and human microchips
The European state
The North American state
The War on Afghanistan
The War on Iraq
The War on Syria/Iran/North Korea (The Axis of evil)
The Iraqi genocide
Domestic police brutality
The NWO calls by world leaders
The mainstream media reports of the shadow government


8. can the nwo be stopped and if so, how do we do it.


No, it cannot be stopped. It is too late to stop it It has passed the two crucial stages:

1. Legally intervening and stopping the laws being passed. Too late, already been passed.
2. Educating the public to end absolute support. Too late, brainwashed beyond belief.

The NWO is absolutely going to happen, and nobody can do anything about it. So start planning how you are going to survive.

[edit on 9-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child



4. what is their exact purpose


To establish a facist One World Government, an oligarchy of men-god elites with super-technology, while maintaining and micromagaging a small slave/worker population, enhanced with technology, and linked cybernetically to a hive-mind.

[edit on 9-12-2004 by Indigo_Child]


thanks for the amplification Indigo_Child
there is another vehicle, agency to accomplish a plan:

see: Is Bush The Antichrist?
[rider attached; "The following article by Seattle Weekly is difficult to read in places.
However, we believe it fits the style of hard-hitting news-mirroring we are
famous for. Please let us know what you think here"]

www.raidersnewsupdate.com...

~~~

but the chilling end of the sentence by Indigo_Child...
[... ,and linked cybernetically to a hive-mind. ]

gives me Pause, because this meme of IndigoChildren
might in fact be the vehicle/agency which elevates this 'hive-mind'
used by the NWO &/or AC



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 10:15 AM
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Excellent summary I_Child. Top marks.



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by wecomeinpeace
Excellent summary I_Child. Top marks.


Thanks wecomeinpeace.

I just wanted to share something I was talking about to a friend today. She said that the Matrix(movie) was too close to reality, that is why "they" made the sequels worlds apart. Interesting thought, considering they actually have something similar planned for us. I also wondered, was it the same director that made two and three



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child

4. what is their exact purpose

To establish a facist One World Government, an oligarchy of men-god elites with super-technology, while maintaining and micromagaging a small slave/worker population, enhanced with technology, and linked cybernetically to a hive-mind.


Hold up... first off, why does it have to be "Men"-god elites? It could just as easily be Women-god elites... or did you mean "men" as in, "human", and not gender-specific?

Secondly, what difference is there between an Oligarchy and any other form of government? An Oligarchy simply means that a few people rule. This is the case in just about every government.

Third, a hive-mind, by neccessity, would not require slaves or leaders, except possibly to delegate. It cannot be corrupt, because a hive-mind is always acting in the best interests of the hive. Observe ants and bees. They have a Queen, but do they take orders from her? No. She's just the one who gets to breed. The hive runs itself.

Lastly, I think that technology in and of itself is too weak a force to compel people to follow a one-world government. The idea itself MUST be appealing enough to the masses to allow it to happen, and for all the various cultures and countries that exist on Earth, it would have to be a concept so universally appealing that either almost anyone could accept it, or that they could accept genocide to enforce it.

So, not to sound arguementative, but I think these points may need some addressing before we assume so readily that this is the correct answer to the question.



posted on Dec, 10 2004 @ 01:30 PM
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I don't usually like to quote and comment paragraph by paragraph, but you raised some interesting and separate points.

Originally posted by Libra
Secondly, what difference is there between an Oligarchy and any other form of government? An Oligarchy simply means that a few people rule. This is the case in just about every government.

Currently we have checks and measures to supposedly prevent the placing of absolute power in the hands of a few. So in the current political setup of the West we, at the very least, have the illusion of freedom. Under NWO rule, such checks and measures would be non-existent, and the word of the few would be the law and the only law.


Third, a hive-mind... Observe ants and bees. They have a Queen, but do they take orders from her? No. She's just the one who gets to breed. The hive runs itself.
I can't speak for I_child, but I think what he means by a hive mind is that every single unit or person of society has the same thoughts, goals, morals and mindset. No individualism, resistance or free-thinking is tolerated. Those who exhibit such traits are eliminated as a threat to the greater good. Ants that go "AWOL", get sick, or deviate from their tasks are "mandibled" up into bits and fed back to the hive.


Lastly, I think that technology in and of itself is too weak a force to compel people to follow a one-world government...It would have to be a concept so universally appealing that either almost anyone could accept it, or that they could accept genocide to enforce it.
I completely agree. Technology is not the force that will be used to bring about one-world government, it will merely be a tool. First the majority must be conditioned and trained to want and fully accept the concept, and we see that happening now through engineered wars between individual nations, and through pervasive propaganda, lies and disinformation. Once the world as we know it has fallen apart through the use of technology, the greater majority (of the people that are left after the genocide) will be begging for a world government and a benevolent ruler(s) to put an end to all the suffering that has gone before. The remaining few dissidents will be easily rounded up and "re-educated", or failing that, simply erased.

[edit on 2004/12/10 by wecomeinpeace]



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