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ATS: Tenet Calls For Internet Security/Control

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posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 08:36 AM
Relentless, I'm uncertain if we are reacting to this statment as a second guess.
I take from your opinion, that it was a personal expression at the time, and it may not warrent the value in his thoughts to what the Net security is at this time... maybe a threat, in his/others/Depts, that have power to turn it off for us. We know it is being considered anyway we look at it. To what degree????? Its yet to be seen, but I suspect it will be soon.

posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 01:24 PM
It is coming... as for the How look at Aol... "Thank you for signing onto citizennet, just a friendly reminder from Homeland Security all viewing/posting of subversive/proscribed material is punishable by up to 5 years in federal prison and a 250,000 dollar fine"

Just a paraphrase of what the message will be like.... hey there are permanent liasions from military intelligence working at all of the major news outlets, the internet and the right to bear arms are the last bastions. We have the single most powerful vehicle for social change ever and governments around the world are trying to seal the gaps. It is time to fight for what you believe in, fight it through the courts, fight it with a placard (while you still can), and if all that doesn't work the 2nd ammendment is in the constitution for a reason and it ain't small game! One way or another your vote counts whether we as a people make them see reason or WE AS A PEOPLE REVOKE THEIR RIGHT TO RULE BY FORCE.

posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 11:17 PM
Translation of Tenets comments.

We wasted billions of taxpayer dollars trying to justify our overpaid jobs
only to be rendered incompetent by teenage hackers who have easily breached
our pitiful security measures based on Microsoft's even more pitiful operating system.

So now we need MORE funding to justify our existence and to stop this flow of
information that shows how foolish we really are.

posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 11:34 PM
The Continuing Tragedy Of Unemployed CIA Staffers

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we got rid of this guy.

Some of the things these former CIA staffers say in public are leading me to believe they must be doing contract jobs as information warfare mouthpieces.

As for locking down the Internet, good luck. It has already taken on a life of its own, and any efforts made to bring it under government control will be defeated on technical grounds, if not legal ones.

Any nation trying it will put itself at a tremendous disadvantage versus those which do not. Even China is figuring this out.

As for Tenet, I'm not too worried about him -- unless Soros hires him.

posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 11:42 PM
For the first time in the history of man kind, we have access to information. Knowlege is there for the taking. Folks people have fought and died for information and knowlege, people have been burned at the stake for owning a printing press, people have been executed for being privy to secrets. The internet was literally a revolution of information, and it is the last bastion of people power left to us. If they take that away from us, and don't be fooled into thinking they can't or won't (do you seriously think your ISP is going to resist armed federal agents when they come to unplug the servers?), if they control it, we loose the greatest advance in communication our species has ever known. The internet is a threat only to those who seek to supress information, without it we are blinded to only the media, and I think recent events have shown us how that works. This cannot be allowed.

Post Script...
I was just thinking about Al Gore the other day, when he said he 'invented the internet', obviously Al Gore is not an ignorant man, and now in retrospect I wonder if there some other meaning to that statement. I don't see him as the kind of guy that would just up and spout something obviously errant like that. Perhaps there was more to that statement than we though...

posted on Dec, 5 2004 @ 11:47 PM
Thou shall not under-estimate the power of nerds!

posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 03:10 AM
Reality check please! In order for internet to be denied for public use it will have to be coordinated with every country in the world. If not then the first country that does so will immediately be at a huge economic disadvantage. In fact their economy would rapidly decline due to the volume of e-commerce and the use of the internet for communications that would continue in the rest of the world. So what are the chances that every country in the world coordinates an internet shutdown !

One last thing to the US folks here. Some of the postings would suggest that the internet is somehow centered in the US. Sorry, but no, if the US shutdown internet access to all its citizens the rest of the world would continue. Some odd problems here and there but they would be worked around. WWW means World Wide Web there's no U or S in WWW.

posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 06:24 AM
China already has screening of internet access in operation.

MANY countries already filter access to international websites. It's 'under the radar' so I don't even think their citizens are aware of it. It's designed to be invisible. Links to websites just don't show up - no 'pages not found'. They show up if you already have the URL, but not if you need to search. I'm doing searchs for my friend in China all the time. Google is very compliant and agreeable to drop links for various goverments.

This isn't new technology and take a look at the way they have clamped down on domestic press. Everyday, without fail, you look at a foriegn newspapers and see variances in their news and our news. Foriegn policy, events, science, health, biology, anything they have a policy on, they also want to control.

EVERY major 'embarrassing' story for the last 3 years has been broken in the foriegn press and not the domestic press. Foriegn journalists were surprised a couple of years ago by having their access denied in the U.S. (unannounced requirment for a 'special visa' they couldn't obtain once they got here) I knew right then, our days were numbered.

Clue. You needed to have a ticket to see Bush/Cheney speak and that required being a member of the 'correct' party or signing an affidavat before entering that you supported them. Bush did NOT address Canadian Parliment because he did NOT want to risk being 'heckled' (from another gov't body?). Look up his record on the first admendant in Texas. He jailed EVERY dissenter. One case cited was a single protester holding up a single sign. He accepts NO dissention - re: the cleanout of gov't based on how they voted (how did they know anyway?) Homeland Security was advised to do sweeps before RNC, orders included 'friends and family' and if you read the Patriot Act, anyone who is not in agreement with 'offical policy' is considered a threat to homeland security.

What was it he said just after announcing he had 'political capital' to spend? He work with democrates, "IF they came around to THEIR way of thinking". I don't know about you - but I did not interpet that as a friendly invite.

It is quite scarey. It's not 'under the radar' - just unreported. Another example. Just 4 years ago, this type of news would have been reported.

DU was shutdown for a couple of days due to homeland security and Indymedia had servers confiscated, I don't think they ever did get a reason. I saw that as a successful show of power. I recently saw an article citing 1600 'radical websites' were shut down, but haven't looked into it any further. Usually those are done in conjunction with gag orders. Tucson released a website owner from Southern Calif about 6 months ago. He'd been held, with gag orders, for 2 years without charges. ACLU defended him - even though he never was eligble for trial. (they were under gag orders too).

Last year the administration blocked scientists from leaving the U.S. to attend an AIDS foriegn conference because they did not agree with U.S. policies. Only those that are 'approved' by the administration can attend global conferences (and that agree with their policies).

It's only a national security issue when you don't want an informed public. I started running into this doing some of my own medical research and the U.S. medical information 'best practices' for HMO's is contradictory with what I was finding in other reviews, like BMJ - U.S. wants pharmacetical and insurance companies to have control (along with token 'faith based' ideas). That's hard to do if we can go freely into foriegn websites. I've already noticed a lot of U.S. information disappearing, and I need to locate it in Canada or UK, instead. Now - how can medical information be 'Homeland Security'?

The gov't restricted medical journals from publishing foriegn studies and case reports from 'unfriendly' countries (not just Iraq), shortly after 9/11 due to 'homeland security'. Our information is ALREADY restricted, it just hasn't been reported in traditional press.

The patriot act has been used against U.S. citizens more than 'foriegn' citizens, including intelligence reasons. ACLU, have been good sources for information.

A lot of times, the administration will put out 'feelers' with announcements like this, to see what public reaction will be. That is what I expect is going on now. The story is planted for our reaction. The DOD purposely plants information. Scream loudly - but once they feel a 'pulse' it will happen anyway - just HOW it happens might change.

The internet is fragile for networking. I'm hopeing someone will come up with an alternative to use as a backup.

Other than that, anyone got any ideas for succession or moving to a new country?

[edit on 6-12-2004 by aikanae]

posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 06:56 AM

Originally posted by aikanae
China already has screening of internet access in operation.

Google is very compliant with govermental restrictions requests.

...Yes, it's already happening here in the US of A.

It is very important to our Masters that public Internet access be terminated or controlled - we are learning too much. The Masters are already controlling the flow of information and removing damning evidence that shows the extent -and nature- of their control. ...Too often, as soon as we post links to show evidence of wrongdoing or conspiracy, the site "disappears" or the page is "revised." But the advance guard has their hands full and they can't keep up. ...So the Masters want the whole system controlled.

Your Government - Censorship in Action. Here are two examples of relatively recent Internet censorship:

1. ...Until very recently, basic information about the incorporation of The Federal Reserve, the United States of America, Inc., the CIA and etc. was available on the net through the Delaware Corporate Records site. ...For example, the Federal Reserve was incorporated in Delaware as the "Federal Reserve Association" on September 13, 1914 as a "nonprofit religious" entity, File No. 0042817; the Registered Agent is "Delaware Business Incorporators, Inc." located at 3422 Old Capitol Trail Suite 700 in Wilmington; the Postal Code is 19808, phone number (302)996-5819.

FYI - ...The Federal Reserve is a privately held company, not publicly traded, so no further information has to be released to the public (ie., the names of the owners). More important, incorporation as a "nonprofit religious" corporate entity means that no one has the right to view the books, not even the IRS.

The Legal Documentation and Corporate Records were available on November 30, 2004 but when I checked December 5, 2004, they had disappeared from Delaware's Corporate Records site at:

Information about the 1989 incorporation of "The United States of America, Inc." also has disappeared, along with the corporate basics about other government agencies. FYI - USA, INC. also is incorporated as a "nonprofit religious" entity. Some of the disappeared information is posted here at:

2. I had a similar experience while researching a disease called fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) on December 5, 2002. ...I was searching the National Institutes of Health PubMed database when suddenly, every search I did brought up the notice: "This topic is under review. Please choose another topic." ...I discovered that links I had posted to medical research suddenly led to completely different articles than they did days before.

...A contained uproar brought some FMD information back online within days, censored, but the screws were finally tightened with "Select Agent" terms established under the "Anti-terrorism Act" in spring of 2003. ...The topic didn't open up again until the NIH bypassed the need for Open Access legislation in fall of this year and opened up access to medical and scientific information without legislative approval.
For more information see:

...Since the NIH kicked the traces with Open Access, the battles have been raging fierce for Internet control. ...Our Masters are perfectly happy for us to access porn, pedophilia and dating services - but they draw the line at our viewing hard information on medical, geophysical and other sciences, corporate government structures and other "private" corporate business.


posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 09:23 AM
Wouldn't this be like punishing people for what they THINK they MIGHT do in the FUTURE?Anyone see "Minority Report"? This is what I thought of when I read this story. People that are convicted computer criminalists have been banned from computers. I doubt if this would fly in America. At most, we probably need rules and laws that are clearer about what activities dealing with computers and information are criminal, and what the range of punishments are. (maybe, I'm still internally debating on this issue)
The ONLY thing the government should be involved with is the data that is flowing into and out of the country. That is the only area that I think they have a reasonable concern and ethical stand to exert monitoring and control over. Afterall, I would wish them to inspect containers at the border, and packets are really just small data containers.


posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 09:56 PM
Tenet is an intelligent man but sometimes hes weird. I think he champions the NWO.

posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 10:13 PM
To Bush supporters i say: Better watch out what you wish for...

posted on Dec, 6 2004 @ 10:32 PM
and when ECK added that post about your internet going bye bye, alll you people said IT will never happen bla bla deda.. interesting how the bla bla turns into ohh # we are screwed....

Anyway I wonder if this might break the camels back for most stupid americans who cant seem to see what is going on..

since some people depend on the internet for everything..

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