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"Can God create a rock..."

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posted on Aug, 13 2014 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

Hello again Randy,

As a humanist, I pose a simple question.

Should we not strive to be God-like?

To seek perfection is not to claim perfection.

If we progress, then we move closer to God.




posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: Diderot

Now wiegh the amount of progress we could have with God,
compared to the amount we have made without him.
And do I need to remind you, that we started out as close to God,
as we could ever be?

I really love this place, because these knid of conversations can only
take place here. You notice that?




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posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: Diderot
a reply to: rigel4

"The paradox has a quantum explanation.. God can make the rock infinitely heavy and infinitely
light both at the same time.... "

And this is offered as a solution to the paradox?

Question: How does God perceive the pitiful, ignorant, and foolish musings of Humankind?

p.s to rigel4, I am no less a stuttering fool than my ramblings might suggest of yourself.

You are no less brilliant than a star in the sky.













It was merely a musing... IMO.. God doesn't actually exist.
If he did though... He would be a quantum God



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 09:55 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

Hello again Randy,

"I really love this place, because these kind of conversations can only
take place here. You notice that?"

Absolutely! I think that ATS might be using subliminal mind control.
Does anyone else here see the rapid flickering of
"ATS is your God. ATS is your God..."?

Anyway, speaking of God, and progress,
I have no problem with any God that enriches humanity.
But that might be a case of "tomato, tomahto."

Here's hoping that you are blessed by God and by Reason.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: Diderot


And good to get to know you a little better Diderot.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: rigel4

Dear Rigel,

"It was merely a musing... IMO.. God doesn't actually exist.
If he did though... He would be a quantum God."

I sort of figured.
Only a quantum God could do
that which he cannot do.
Kind of like Schrodinger's God, if you will.



posted on Aug, 14 2014 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

"And good to get to know you a little better Diderot."

The tip of my hat to Randy.



posted on Aug, 15 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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Yes God can and did create a rock that even He can not move and that is the rock of your freewill.

Texta reply to: Diderot



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: Diderot

My faith becomes truth, your truth becomes faith.



posted on Aug, 18 2014 @ 07:37 PM
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a reply to: Diderot

No, please read it again.
He does one thing, then the other.



posted on Aug, 19 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: GunzCoty

"My faith becomes truth, your truth becomes faith."

Are there not those who have faith in things that are not true? Yes there are.

Also, many arrive at truth through reason, not faith.



posted on Aug, 28 2014 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: Diderot

The question itself is a logical fallacy.
No True Scotsman.
Moving the Goalposts.
Reification.

The question itself is set up to conclude that rocks are omnipotent, therefore No True Scotsman can be omnipotent. Then move the goalpost by asking people to assume God would do such a thing in the first place, because No True Scotsman could do such a thing (by the question). Now reificate, because the question asks the person to assume a different meaning of omnipotent.

The answer is no, because the question is impossible in the first place. When you work out the logical fallacies in the question, then please ask again.

I am afraid you miss the point that God is also omniscient and omnipresent, therefore, as God would create the rock, God is now in the rock, because God creates by His word and the rock is the expression of His word, therefore His voice is greater than the rock in the first place.

See, the question was based in logical fallacies.



posted on Aug, 28 2014 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: Diderot
a reply to: randyvs

Hello again Randy,

As a humanist, I pose a simple question.

Should we not strive to be God-like?

To seek perfection is not to claim perfection.

If we progress, then we move closer to God.








that was surprisingly inspirational for a religious thread. well said.



posted on Aug, 28 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Diderot
a reply to: GunzCoty

"My faith becomes truth, your truth becomes faith."

Are there not those who have faith in things that are not true? Yes there are.

Also, many arrive at truth through reason, not faith.





Yes, but do they have faith that they would arrive at truth? Did they have faith in their reasoning?



posted on Aug, 28 2014 @ 10:11 PM
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Dear WarminIndy from HotinFlorida,

Thanks for the quite compelling post!

"The question itself is a logical fallacy.
No True Scotsman.
Moving the Goalposts.
Reification.

I am afraid you miss the point that God is also omniscient and omnipresent, therefore, as God would create the rock, God is now in the rock, because God creates by His word and the rock is the expression of His word, therefore His voice is greater than the rock in the first place.
See, the question was based in logical fallacies."

I was ready to accuse you of making up a word- Reification. If you can't if it on the first try you can if it on the rebound.
And thanks to you I now have an enriched lexicon.
Anyway, I certainly agree that the question was based on logical fallacies.
The question was based on human fallacies.
Neither you nor I can fathom this fundamental paradox.
I think that what you are saying is "God is omniscient and omnipotent."
Ergo, There is nothing he cannot do.
But you are simply defining omnipotent.







posted on Aug, 28 2014 @ 11:01 PM
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originally posted by: Diderot
a reply to: GunzCoty
"My faith becomes truth, your truth becomes faith."

"Are there not those who have faith in things that are not true? Yes there are.
Also, many arrive at truth through reason, not faith."

"Yes, but do they have faith that they would arrive at truth? Did they have faith in their reasoning?"

This is a very important question.
To me, faith does not stem from reason. Faith is the language of the heart.
To me faith is a certitude that is non-rational.
Faith is non-rational, not irrational. There is a major difference.
I believe, and I trust that the area of a circle is pi times r squared. Faith is not involved in this equation.
But faith is the essence of who and what we truly love.



posted on Aug, 28 2014 @ 11:08 PM
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That rock is your free will.



posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 09:00 AM
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Oh, the Biblical definition of faith isn't just believing even if you don't see. Faith comes by hearing. You develop faith after investigation and study. Faith is built on knowledge.

You don't have to see it to believe it, but that doesn't mean not to study what you hear.



posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: WarminIndy
Oh, the Biblical definition of faith isn't just believing even if you don't see. Faith comes by hearing. You develop faith after investigation and study. Faith is built on knowledge.

You don't have to see it to believe it, but that doesn't mean not to study what you hear.


um, faith is literally the opposite of knowledge.....so nice try, but no cigar.
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posted on Aug, 29 2014 @ 12:33 PM
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Can god create a rock so big that Tyrone Biggums can't smoke it?



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