US: No evidence of direct Russian link to plane

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Senior U.S. intelligence officials say they have no evidence of direct Russian government involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

They say the passenger jet was likely felled by an SA-11 surface-to-air missile fired by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine and that Russia "created the conditions" for the downing by arming the separatists.

The officials briefed reporters Tuesday under ground rules that their names not be used in discussing intelligence related to last week's air disaster, which killed 298 people.

US: No evidence of direct Russian link to plane

Can you please show us some shots from the satellites?


Conspiracies are tough to kill and in this case some mysterious aspects really make me and others wonder. One of these has to do with the Defense Support Program (DSP) satellites and a fantastic Freudian slip on the part of a government spokesman. Basically, the DSP satellites are extremely sensitive infrared cameras in orbit over the Earth intended to monitor the launch signatures of (Soviet) ICBMs.

But they also serve other purposes, like spying on missile tests done by other countries. Since this is a spy system the full capabilities are a guarded secret, but we know that even though they orbit at 22,300 miles, something like an aircraft on afterburner or the Russian missile attack on a Grozny market can be easily verified, as has been reported in the media.


VT Education Series: Satellite Missile Detection Notes



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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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Well, if governments are going to start being held responsible for what others do with the arms they provide to them... then the U.S. is in a whole mess of trouble.


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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 04:52 PM
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But but but who are they gonna blame on ats now that the US said it wasn't Putin's fault? Absolutely no consideration for our propagandists here
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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 04:59 PM
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First:


Thats for MSM anti-Russian smear campaign

Secondly:


The intelligence officials were cautious in their assessment, noting that while the Russians have been arming separatists in eastern Ukraine, the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.


. . . Ukrainian officials admitted after the MH17 crash that the 'separatists' had NO functional BUKs, so. . . ?

- - If the BUKs didn't come from Russia OR non-functional BUKs that 'seperatists' seized from Ukraine didn't take part in the incident??

Third:

Should U.S./EU still sanction Russia for having NO part in the incident?



Whole bunch of big 'IFs' in that article, in regards to Russian/'separatists' involvement.

No evidence of direct Russian link to plane, US officials say



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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sooooo we can state now that the ukrain messed up with flight 17..
and becourse the western country's will still support ukrain ...it was an accident....... right???
my god wat an world we living in



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:25 PM
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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: sosobad

This is just a little change in the narrative... The question is: are the russians photographed the same soldiers that day?


What I’ve been told by one source, who has provided accurate information on similar matters in the past, is that U.S. intelligence agencies do have detailed satellite images of the likely missile battery that launched the fateful missile, but the battery appears to have been under the control of Ukrainian government troops dressed in what look like Ukrainian uniforms.

The source said CIA analysts were still not ruling out the possibility that the troops were actually eastern Ukrainian rebels in similar uniforms but the initial assessment was that the troops were Ukrainian soldiers. There also was the suggestion that the soldiers involved were undisciplined and possibly drunk, since the imagery showed what looked like beer bottles scattered around the site, the source said.


U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:29 PM
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now the EU has fallen in an trap with sanctions ..... perhaps the empire will strike back????????
I suggest an long COLD winter....
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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: VegHead
Well, if governments are going to start being held responsible for what others do with the arms they provide to them... then the U.S. is in a whole mess of trouble.


HA HA, so very very true... Israel may be a great example of this.

Rebel 5



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: maghun
{U.S. Satellite Images Show Ukrainian Troops Shooting Down MH17 }

is it Collin Powers who is controlling the sattelite data?



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: rebelv

originally posted by: VegHead
Well, if governments are going to start being held responsible for what others do with the arms they provide to them... then the U.S. is in a whole mess of trouble.


HA HA, so very very true... Israel may be a great example of this.

Rebel 5


So is Ukraine.

And Northern Ireland.

And Mexico..

And Iraq

And... and... and....

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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It's funny how common sense is completely devoid among this forum.

Why would Putin should down a civilian airliner and kill 300 people?

Why?

Two questions need to be asked more.

Where's the motive.

And who benefits from this the most.

Does Russia or Ukraine benefit from this? Of course not. Who benefits? Go ahead and take a wild guess.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: JIDFBrzezinski
It's funny how common sense is completely devoid among this forum.

Why would Putin should down a civilian airliner and kill 300 people?

Why?

Two questions need to be asked more.

Where's the motive.

And who benefits from this the most.

Does Russia or Ukraine benefit from this? Of course not. Who benefits? Go ahead and take a wild guess.




We already know this answer, just some don't like to hear it.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:44 PM
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a reply to: JIDFBrzezinski

Sometimes movies aren't black and white ))))

I think the longer the investigation goes on, the stranger the theories will become. It's unfortunate, as the families of the victims need time to grieve instead of it being thrown in their faces all the time.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: VegHead
Well, if governments are going to start being held responsible for what others do with the arms they provide to them... then the U.S. is in a whole mess of trouble.


You well fecking said it, I just lost a post on a thread that was killed and gone without trace here, however the upshot was the same. The west sticking their nebs into eastern europe, namely Ukraine. Had that not happened, MH17 would have been sitting safely in Kuala Lumpur a few days ago, and that makes me sick of all this crap.
All this after the total distabilizing of Africa ongoing.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:46 PM
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This is actually good news compared to what we usually get considering Russia.

I also don't see the motive to why Russians would of done it anyway.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: JIDFBrzezinski
one correction.... not the eastern part of the Ukraine...
but kiev would benefit from it to open the doors for nato / vn troops to win the eastern part and the krim back
but the reality is that Ukraine is split in 2 parts and the western world is still thinking its not..
so i'm grieving for the 298 casulty's that was needed to clear things out..
what an waist of live

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

If you don't have a motive you don't have a crime.

So you can't give me at least a "guess" as is way Putin would want to kill 300 people and incriminate himself?

Or maybe the whole thing was just an accident that's going to be forgotten in a few weeks?

Again, it's all about who benefits.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:51 PM
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Where there is a will, there is a way...

Looks like Ukraine/US et al found a way.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: maghun

Really? What's this then?

video shows BUK missile launcher headed for Russia with 2 missiles absent hours after the malaysian airlines shoot down

How is it people can be so blind? Go on youtube. There are hundreds of videos since the Ukraine conflict started of Russian military units crossing the border into Eastern Ukraine. Tanks. APC's. Troop transports. Missile Launchers. Heavy Artillery.

All the evidence points to Russian involvement. The separatists themselves even tweeted about the shootdown right after and then turned around and deleted their tweets once they realized they'd brought down a civilian airliner and not a Ukrainian military transport plane like they thought.

Are we even on the same planet here? The same dimension? How can people be so out to lunch that they are still swallowing Russian propaganda despite the preponderance of evidence contrary to their claims? Anyone remember how they said they weren't sending troops into Crimea too? Or how they claimed they weren't going to annex it, and then did exactly that?

I swear if Putin said the sky is green there would be people on ATS claiming it's not really blue.





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