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MH17 Show & Tell: It's the West's Turn

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 10:25 AM
It seems all the US is doing is yelling and screaming and relying on TWITTER and a proven fake phone call to blame the Russians, as well a loud mouth hypocrite at the UN, Samantha Power, with the blood of Libyans on her soul.

Here at least Russia offers information, not mere accusations, as the US has done.

So who is the propaganda merchant here?

July 21, 2014 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - Russia has now shown its satellite pictures and radar information from the Donetsk, Ukraine region during the July 17, 2014 Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 crash.

The Wall Street Journal reported in its article, "Russia Presents Its Account of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Crash,"

Russia's Defense Ministry on Monday presented its first detailed account of the final moments of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, saying Russian radar had spotted a second aircraft in the vicinity shortly before the crash and that satellite imagery showed Ukraine had moved missile systems into the area before the incident.

At a news conference, air force chief Igor Makushev didn't say who the ministry thought had fired the missile that apparently brought down the airliner on Thursday.

The Wall Street Journal also reported:

In an elaborate presentation displaying radar and satellite imagery, Mr. Makushev said it was likely that the second airplane was a Ukrainian fighter jet. He also showed satellite photos allegedly portraying several Buk ground-to-air missile systems in the area close to where the plane crashed. The systems, he said, could only belong to the Ukrainian military. Ukraine has accused Russia of giving the rebels a Buk system, with which they then shot down the passenger jet.

Mr. Makushev said the airplane deviated from its course by 14 kilometers, but then attempted to return to its course, before crashing shortly after.

He said Russia is prepared to hand all of the information it has to European authorities, which included satellite imagery and data from its own radars.

Indeed, the evidence suggested Kiev's regime deployed anti-air missile systems in Donetsk in and around the area where flight MH17 crashed. They also provided information regarding Ukrainian warplanes trailing flight MH17, the possibility of an air-to-air attack on MH17, and inconsistencies with Ukrainian air traffic control.

There were a series of questions asked throughout the presentation - nothing was "concluded" - which is in direct contrast to the West which has shown the world nothing in terms of evidence, but has drawn many inflammatory, politically-motivated conclusions.

Russia has shown a great deal of evidence directly contradicting the West's baseless claims. Now it's time for the Pentagon to show the world their pictures and data along with their explanations.
Russian defense ministry officials also claimed that a U.S. satellite was spotted at the time of the Flight 17 crash and asked that the U.S. release the satellite images from that time. The U.S. didn't immediately comment on the claim.

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 10:30 AM
Should be interesting what fairytale the west comes up with now .. between this and the black boxes being handed over to malaysia today ..
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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 10:38 AM
Lots and lots of people thinking ,looking , and wondering about the facts in this mess .I want to add Ron Pauls bit .

What the Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17

By Ron Paul

July 21, 2014 "ICH" - Just days after the tragic crash of a Malaysian Airlines flight over eastern Ukraine, Western politicians and media joined together to gain the maximum propaganda value from the disaster. It had to be Russia; it had to be Putin, they said. President Obama held a press conference to claim – even before an investigation – that it was pro-Russian rebels in the region who were responsible. His ambassador to the UN, Samantha Power, did the same at the UN Security Council – just one day after the crash!

While western media outlets rush to repeat government propaganda on the event, there are a few things they will not report.

They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. Without US-sponsored “regime change,” it is unlikely that hundreds would have been killed in the unrest that followed. Nor would the Malaysian Airlines crash have happened.

The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made. But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.

They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June, including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash! Most of these are civilians and together they roughly equal the number killed in the plane crash. By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine, and the separatists have struck largely military, not civilian, targets.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 10:40 AM
America keeps hoping for a steamroller affect.

Do the black op, quickly blame whoever they are trying to frame ( such as when they tried to frame Assad for the chemical attack, and now as they are trying to frame the Russians) and then hope the world accepts the scam; get a big mouth hypocrite murderess like Samantha Power at the UN to lie [ LIKE THEY LIED DURING THE IRAQ WAR SCAM WITH COLON ( JACK ASS) POWELL]; and then they can do their damage to whoever they want to damage.

But it ain't working no more!

The people are waking up to their lies and scams!

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 10:53 AM
It's threads like this that make the Believe everything you hear from the media threads even more interesting.

This whole situation seems to have been poorly thought of from the beginning. The Minute America backed the original rebels(not the new "rebels") they made the wrong decision. It became "Support anyone anti-Russia and pro-Europe" and we got these guys ruling in Kiev that we knew little if anything about. Simply being Anti-Russia was enough.

It shouldn't' have been enough, and the rest that follows was just a mess after a mess. Russia didn't gain Crimea, America and their European allies gave it away with their incompetence from the very beginning.

Sad state of affairs.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 10:56 AM
a reply to: Willtell

Indeed they are. It is so blatantly obvious anymore to anybody with more than a few brain cells just what America and the west have been up to.

On another note - I really enjoyed reading that piece from Ron Paul on the matter. He makes some excellent points. Why is it the savage rebels know to only target military adversaries and yet the holier than though Ukrainian government has no issue whatsoever murdering its own citizens. Nobody even talks about the amount of civilians the Ukrainians have taken out in the past couple months. Their own people for christs' sake!

I am convinced in the next couple days however we all will be adding those 298 more civilian deaths to the toll being racked up by the Ukrainian government. After all, it is becoming more and more apparent just who in fact shot down that plane and it is not looking good for Kiev.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 11:00 AM
a reply to: PsychoEmperor

Excellent point!
The US never cares who they support as long as it's geo-politically friendly to them.

They support religious nuts in Saudi Arabia, murdering dictators in South America, and now neo-Nazis in the Ukraine.

But in this case, for another thread I am working on, it seems ALL this Ukraine mess is to cover up the US and Israel’s savagery in the Mideast.


posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 11:01 AM
a reply to: PsychoEmperor

Ain't that the truth? I always find it funny how people say 'Russia took the Crimea from Ukraine!'

Guess what? Had the US government not sponsored an anti-Russia movement ran by a bunch of neo-Nazi's and allowed them to take control of the government in Kiev - Ukraine would still have the Crimea.

They've really got no one to blame but themselves for the current Ukraine situation.

Is it wrong that it warms my heart to see another United States government approved takeover fail miserably?

Those pulling the strings sure have gotten sloppy lately, they are completely revealing their hand.

I mean honestly - the USGov pretty much openly funded and trained the guys who turned into ISIS. So there is also that.
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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 11:03 AM
a reply to: lightedhype

Oh, only in Syria does the US pretend to give a dam when a government kills its own people.

If you are on the US team, you can kill, kill, and kill

Like in Israel right now.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 11:05 AM
a reply to: Willtell

You said it. Israel is downright blatantly committing war crimes as we speak.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 11:10 AM
When is America going to have a press conference and offer satellite data to back up their propaganda? Or any real facts.

Instead they send Obama, the Manchurian puppet, to spout naked propaganda, and a psychotic murderess at the UN, Samantha Power, backed up by another psychotic idiot, Suzan Rice, at the White House, and of course, Mr. Skull n Bones, Ketchup Kerry, running around as if he cares about the slaughter in Gaza.

Who is running this side show?

Who plots out all this lunacy?

Who thinks of these lies and scams?


Who believes em!

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 12:01 PM
a reply to: Willtell

Russian Information Loud and Clear about the incident, with English Translation:

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 12:25 PM
The thing is getting the propaganda out as fast as you can before anyone else usually determines who the masses will tend to believe and blame. Psychology is an amazing thing. It has worked for the USA for a long time but at the same time, it's starting to catch up to them also.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 12:37 PM

originally posted by: Willtell

Who is running this side show?

Who plots out all this lunacy?

Truth is, nobody ...

Facts are this, in WWII ... the allies on V day marched into Europe and were stopped by Germany. Despite their huge bombing of Europe, with their firebombs and up to 70% civilian fatality rate. The german army put them to a halt.

The Russians won WWII.

But in Hollywood, the war is won by the US knights in shining armour ... played by "Elvis Presley" and "John Wayne".

Patton, wanted to kill the Russians immediately ... and Pattons paranoia, is just what the US. Paranoid schizos, like McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover ... who have bombarded Europe for 80 years with the Marshall propaganda ... and are set on destroying Russia, because they fear the Russians.

Because the Russians, won the war ... not the US.

Without Werner von Braun, NASA was, and still is ... a sham. And until the 70's, the us did not have any patent protection ... it stole anything it could, even worse than the Chinese.

The reality of the situation is, that the US evern since vietnam ... has been slowly moving towards nationalism. George Bush senior, and junior are just two pieces of this pussle. People that used to protest against the Vietnam war, are no longer allowed to be in the front ... they're in the back. People like Jane Fonda, and her brother are no longer people who love life and liberty ... they're branded "traitors". And the US government rallies every steroid pumped "brainless" moron, in the police force as well as the armed forces, to create the "invincible" army. Their allies in Europe are equivalent ...

There is no need for the immense paranoia that has been going on for the past decade ... it's just a scheme to keep you scared. While reality beats at your door ... in propaganda, and dead homeless people ... beaten to death by the brave police.

That's where the past two and half decades of US war machine has brought us.

This is the regime of law and order, where the enemy is painted on cards ... and walls are painted with "Wanted: dead or alive" posters. And people who are willing to tell are given millions to lie about anything they want as long as it sounds good in the ears of the beholder.

Regime change anyone?

Do you really think, there is any wonder why we are allowing China to grow as it does? Even the Chinese are better than this nazi-scum, and that's a fact.

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 12:41 PM
russians are screwed...! black boxes goes to UK for reading out...veryyyyy trusted and independend country

was just on the dutsch news sender
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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 12:46 PM

originally posted by: ressiv
russians are screwed...! black boxes goes to UK for reading out...veryyyyy trusted and independend country

was just on the dutsch news sender

Let's just hope whoever does examine the information has a conscience.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 12:55 PM
hopefully.....the stakes are europe is moore ore less forced to make new sanctions against the russians
a reply to: Flatcoat

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 01:17 PM
I still cant choose sides on this issue because we don't know what is propaganda or not, but it's not looking so good for the anti_Russia folks. There were hoards of people on this forum stating as fact that Russia is to blame and we must act on that.....why aren't they on this thread defending that idea?

Perhaps now they will understand why it's best to wait for facts and not jump to conclusions based on political desire.

posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 01:22 PM
I was told by many that I am basically dumb for still questioning this subject.

I was told a Tweet and some western reports were good as gold and to bank on them.

I was told I am a fool for even questioning the "official story" and the "Tweet" that proves this is an open and shut case.

All the people who told me this...seem stupid to me.

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 01:25 PM
a reply to: Willtell

Al Jazeera Reporting that the Whitehouse is to release
evidence later today implicating the Rebels in the shooting down
of Flight MH17.

This will be Interesting.

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