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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy

I'm well aware of all the things that this record breaking "Do Nothing", "Just say NO" Congress has not done and not voted for.

Again you are mistaken.
The Congress voted the ACA into law.
The poor and middle class would have been better off if they had done nothing.


Remind me, who was the speaker of the house when the quote "We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it" was said.




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: MarlinGrace
Nancy 'I am not crazy' Pelosi.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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"We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it"

I think she made her mark in history with that statement!
A shame really I woulldn't want to remembered for that!



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:05 PM
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Words that will die in infamy ...........

Perhaps the "Statement" of the Century.

Gotta wonder how this will be portrayed in history ?

Nancy Pelosi Pass the Bill to find out what's in it

www.youtube.com...




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: MarlinGrace
Nancy 'I am not crazy' Pelosi.


One of my favorite Pelosi Quotes:
“I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.”



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy




Again you are mistaken.
The Congress voted the ACA into law.


I never claimed that the ACA wasn't voted into law.


The poor and middle class would have been better off if they had done nothing.


I understand that that's your point of view, but I disagree with you. The ACA may be far from perfect, but its a starting place and its better than nothing, in my opinion.

We need to bi-partisanly continue to tweak it into something workable and equitable, as a compassionate nation.

ETA: All that needs to be done to take care of the this problem that the OP has brought forward, is for Congress to tweak the ACA to reflect that citizens of states that aren't participating in the exchanges are still eligible for tax breaks under the law.




edit on 22-7-2014 by windword because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy




Again you are mistaken.
The Congress voted the ACA into law.


I never claimed that the ACA wasn't voted into law.


The poor and middle class would have been better off if they had done nothing.


I understand that that's you point of view, but I disagree with you. The ACA may be far from perfect, but its a starting place and its better than nothing, in my opinion.

We need to bi-partisanly continue to tweak it into something workable and equitable, as a compassionate nation.



I don't think starting with a car crash is a good way to learn how to drive.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: windword


I understand that that's you point of view, but I disagree with you.

The ACA may be far from perfect, but its a starting place and its better than nothing, in my opinion.


Looks more like an ending place that a starting place.

Because it's never been fully implemented.




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: windword
the most compassionate thingwe could do is ditch the thing along with it's 50 or whatever eexemptions, exclusions and other aterations and start over
this time with true compassion being the primary motive



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: MarlinGrace

the Health Care industry was a "war zone" before the ACA, with expenditure caps, disqualifying pre-conditions, insurance cancellation for getting sick, insurance company death panels, for real.................

Things are better now than they were before the ACA.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: MarlinGrace

Yes another classic gem.

Notice her face expressions when yaking.....

Pelosi: Natural Gas an "Alternative to Fossil Fuels"

www.youtube.com...




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: MarlinGrace

the Health Care industry was a "war zone" before the ACA, with expenditure caps, disqualifying pre-conditions, insurance cancellation for getting sick, insurance company death panels, for real.................

Things are better now than they were before the ACA.



Except 30 or 40 million people are *Still* uninsured.

Gulp.




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: windword
the most compassionate thingwe could do is ditch the thing along with it's 50 or whatever eexemptions, exclusions and other aterations and start over
this time with true compassion being the primary motive




Again, I don't think it's prudent to throw the baby out with the bath water. We have a good framework to to build from. We have a good starting point, and, in my mind, all arrows point to "single payer."



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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Except 30 or 40 million people are *Still* uninsured.


I'm sure that we can thank the Republican governors who refused to expand Medicare and participate in the Exchanges for that high number.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: windword
the most compassionate thingwe could do is ditch the thing along with it's 50 or whatever eexemptions, exclusions and other aterations and start over
this time with true compassion being the primary motive




Again, I don't think it's prudent to throw the baby out with the bath water. We have a good framework to to build from. We have a good starting point, and, in my mind, all arrows point to "single payer."

We need to pull the baby out of the cesspool.
The good framework that you speak of... that is the ACA? It is so good that Obama keeps delaying implementation of the various parts of it.... I guess he doesn't want us to get too much of a 'good thing' before election time!



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:31 PM
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This is a great plan I work for a small business that Blue Cross blue shield dropped because we had older women working and the premium became so high we could not afford it, but under the Inclusive Health plan we all have insurance again even women with diabetics and older males that smoke, they are better off because they can all afford to see a doctor regularly and can afford their medications again, which keeps them healthier and able to work and have preventive care rather than more expensive catastrophic care.

I myself was diagnosed with breast cancer while I was uninsured and have a huge hospital bill to pay but under inclusive health plan everything from Oct 1, 2012 is covered even if the cancer comes back. the recommenced drug for estrogen blocking was $89 a month under the plan it is $10.00.

I feel so much better knowing my co-workers have health insurance. Everyone has gone for a much needed physical after getting their insurance which ma kes them feel better and safer
Thank you very much
Roxanne K.
North Carolina

obamacarefacts.com...

There are millions of Americans that are happy with their "Obamacare".



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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Except 30 or 40 million people are *Still* uninsured.


If that is true then the US Government is denying people healthcare.

As medicaid was created specifically for that purpose.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:38 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: xuenchen




Except 30 or 40 million people are *Still* uninsured.


I'm sure that we can thank the Republican governors who refused to expand Medicare and participate in the Exchanges for that high number.




Yup.

Another mistake by Democrats who passed the original ACA.

The forced Medicaid mandate was struck down by the SCOTUS.

They could have made the original law legal and wala....no problems.

They screwed up the whole thing didn't they.

I remember some Republicans actually warning about the Medicaid thing.

And not to mention the mass deficits Medicaid expansion will create.




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: MarlinGrace

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy




Again you are mistaken.
The Congress voted the ACA into law.


I never claimed that the ACA wasn't voted into law.


The poor and middle class would have been better off if they had done nothing.


I understand that that's you point of view, but I disagree with you. The ACA may be far from perfect, but its a starting place and its better than nothing, in my opinion.

We need to bi-partisanly continue to tweak it into something workable and equitable, as a compassionate nation.



I don't think starting with a car crash is a good way to learn how to drive.


Well put. Of course, it was never intended to work. Cloward-Piven gents, they knew ACA would be a disaster they just want it to be this way so that everybody begs government to come in and fix th4 mess that they made with socialized medicine.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

We already have socialized medicine,. It's most people don't call it like it is.

Between medicare, and medicaid that 'single payer' that isn't even close to being a 'single payer'.

That accounts for over 110 million people.

That is staggering as those people are not out in the private market where they should be.

There are more people on those programs than the entire populations of those 'socialist' utopia's in Europe they love so much.



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