Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 10:44 AM
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The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.

“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.

“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.

Ukrainian Su-25 fighter detected in close approach to MH17 before crash - Moscow

This is currently being ignored by Western Media...
Before you claim "pro Russian propaganda" remember that Media is meant to be impartial...
RT are quite clearly showing all angles including calls for sanctions from David Cameron, as well as Obama's latest press release...

So let's just agree the agenda is coming mainly from Western outlets!!!


Let the RT bashing begin!!!


RIP 298!!!
Peace everybody!!!




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Will just add a link to my post on another thread regarding the same subject posted a minute or two before yours, in another forum.

Alternative ATS thread...




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Well, when you throw that piece of information into the equation things become more confusing... What the hell was a Ukrainian fighter Jet doing tracking MH17 if the information is accurate? Why do I get the feeling Russia are about to drop a bombshell? Something isn't right and this is the first time I have felt this way about the tragedy.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

Thanks pal, I'll be sure to visit and leave my opinion, hope everyone else does too!!!

Peace LightSpeed!!!



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Well, when you throw that piece of information into the equation things become more confusing... What the hell was a Ukrainian fighter Jet doing tracking MH17 if the information is accurate? Why do I get the feeling Russia are about to drop a bombshell? Something isn't right and this is the first time I have felt this way about the tragedy.


Russia offered a complete rebuttal to the official story in a news conference posted on RT and available on Youtube. They actually present evidence than conjecture.....imagine that. They bring up the SU-25's in this also. have a looksie:




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs
No worries, 2 threads/heads are better than one to get another version on ATS than just the West's "version" of events.




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:06 AM
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I posted in the MH17 thread. Look at the altitude and ID of the 777 in the pic and the other aircraft. It looks like 35K and 40K. Of course, the numbers could be something else then the usual.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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It gets really confusing when you throw in the FACT that Russia also has the same aircraft it is attempting to muddy the waters with and the FACT that Russia has a history of shooting at civilian aircraft.

Frogfoot

1983
1978

Be honest and call it what it was. A terrible mistake.


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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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What makes this even more amazing is the fact that the Su-25, with no external stores on board, has a service ceiling of just under 23,000 feet. So how did it get up to 32,000 feet to make a close pass?



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

It was a new "western" CIA modified Frogfoot. Standby for the RT broadcast..........



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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If the long lines are the tracks, isn't the 777 flying NW. The other marked one looks like 40K.

Are they trying to say something at the yellow arrow is the fighter? If so it looks like 36K and there is not ID.

To bad they didn't detail what it intended to reveal.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:20 AM
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At least the Russians are using information at hand, analyzing it, and asking the right questions in a civilized manner, instead of finger pointing..

The West and their puppet Ukraine are acting like savage primitive typical guilty fools ..with nothing to offer but finger pointing.
The US itself did 9-11 and got away with it by fooling the American people ..

Now they did the same thing here .. by blowing up that civilian plane, using the dumb Ukranian puppet leaders .. and are doing everything quickly to frame Russia ..like they like to do .. cause confusion and mayhem ..and before the dust settles .. hang someone, and make it part of history ..no trial or explanation ..

It's a clear cut case as to who has more to gain by blowing up that plane.. and all fingers are pointing now to Ukraine and their puppet masters.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: junglimogli

yep, no finger pointing there at all.........

Hate to break it to you sweetness both sides are blaming the other, however only one side has claimed credit



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
What makes this even more amazing is the fact that the Su-25, with no external stores on board, has a service ceiling of just under 23,000 feet. So how did it get up to 32,000 feet to make a close pass?


It could have been their only 'upgraded' Su-25M1 and Su-25UBM1….



BUT then again probably NOT….!

PDUK
edit on 21-7-2014 by PurpleDog UK because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: junglimogli

yep, no finger pointing there at all.........

Hate to break it to you sweetness both sides are blaming the other, however only one side has claimed credit




Just one addition .. don't call me sweetness ...



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:28 AM
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Ukrainian BUK system, 14th July...


Removed BUK system, 3days later...



As a rebuttal, read the full article people...
The SU can reach 32.8k feet...
MH17 was told to fly 600metres under the original 33k feet!!!

“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”

That's 32.8 thousand feet!!!



Peace everybody!!!
edit on 21-7-2014 by CharlieSpeirs because: Excerpt added!!!
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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

No it can't. The Su-39, an upgraded version of it can, but it hasn't been built in any kind of numbers yet.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: PurpleDog UK

The only one I've find so far that can is the Su-39, which is a new upgrade. But they were talking about having five or six by last year.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
Airspace in the area was closed below 32,000 feet. The flight entered the region at 31,000 feet, but climbed to 33,000 upon entering the area.

Playback of the flight is on FlightRadar24


having just gone through the Malai 777 that disappeared,,

1. What check points were the pilots given, by the Air traffic Control,,and was it then up to the pilot to decide??



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: BobAthome

According to reports they were given a direct routing once they crossed into the Ukraine.






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