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Ukrainian Su-25 warplane detected heading toward Malaysian Boeing

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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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There was an KLM flight behind the MH17... they pulled away after the shot douwn...
still no mention wat those pilots have seen ...weird !




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch

I find it funny that when people believe in the western intel we get crapped on but when the ussr "facts" come out everyone is to except it as truth.

Around and Around we go.

Except the west hasn't produced any "intel".


And Russia has?!

That's flippin' hilarious. you should get a comedy show.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: zilebeliveunknown




US Mil might have some evidence of what happened.

Here's an interesting article written by Dutch satellite tracker:


Here is the PDF from your source that discusses the capabilities of these satellites and how they can pick up missile signatures.

www2.gwu.edu...

If true this could be the game changer. Interesting for sure.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch

I find it funny that when people believe in the western intel we get crapped on but when the ussr "facts" come out everyone is to except it as truth.

Around and Around we go.

Except the west hasn't produced any "intel".


And Russia has?!

That's flippin' hilarious. you should get a comedy show.


That would be what this thread is about. The intel the Russians released. How about you go make a thread about the info the Americans released.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch

I find it funny that when people believe in the western intel we get crapped on but when the ussr "facts" come out everyone is to except it as truth.

Around and Around we go.

Except the west hasn't produced any "intel".


And Russia has?!

That's flippin' hilarious. you should get a comedy show.


A lot more than the west has laughing boy.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: rustyclutch
Yeah well you guys keep buying the American story. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on that evidence though. If they had it they would have produced it already. They knew who did it while the plane was still burning. Surely they could have presented SOME sort of evidence to us.

Just a question. How far in advance do you have to know about something to have your satellite over the area at the time? For about a half hour an American satellite was right over eastern Ukraine. Another tidbit of information some of you are ignoring. If they had evidence it would be all over the t.v. They don't. A cut together audio, a video of a BUK system in territory that KIEV controls, not the rebels, and a lot of accusations. Washington had a satellite there at the time....where is the imagery? What, we don't get to see the pictures because they don't want us to know how good their satellites are?

I'm still waiting on some of you to present facts contradicting any of the article. Oh thats right, you don't have any, neither does Washington. What Washington DOES have is clear satellite footage of what happened. A play by play. And we will never see it.


You could ask yourself the exact same questions concerning the Russians. Who gains from this if they can paint the other side as murderers. Answer: They both do.

I'm not buying either side yet, but the rebels do look guilty at the moment. They are losing the Information war right now.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex dude can ya seriously not smell a rat in the american and ukraine story,please look at this whole issue again taking into account the new banking system and the vast resources russia mantains



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: ressiv




There was an KLM flight behind the MH17... they pulled away after the shot douwn...
still no mention wat those pilots have seen ...weird !


There are reports that a Virgin Atlantic flight was in the area along with an Air Singapore flight also.

www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch

I find it funny that when people believe in the western intel we get crapped on but when the ussr "facts" come out everyone is to except it as truth.

Around and Around we go.

Except the west hasn't produced any "intel".


And Russia has?!

That's flippin' hilarious. you should get a comedy show.


A lot more than the west has laughing boy.



Links? Other than RT propaganda, or FOXNews or MSNBC or BBC.

I'm looking for proof of who is guilty, I don't base this upon some emotion....Prove your case with facts, not emotion.

And yes, I'm still laughing at your attempt.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: manna2
Arent you assuming, for some reason, that both planes started from the same starting line? Like you are implying it is a race of sorts? Doesnt the radar show the su in front of mh17?a reply to: buddah6



I didn't see that bit of information. I'm assuming that the Su 25 was not airborne because it has very short endurance when carrying wing stores like missiles and gas tanks. I also have serious doubts about the Su 25 being near or at the altitude of the airliner. When you hang stuff from the wings that increases drag which effects top speed and how high you can go. It's like towing a trailer with your car. You burn more gas because you are pulling more stuff. You'll need to stop for gas more frequently and you can't climb those steep hills. Well, airplanes are the same.

If the Su 25 was at altitude it would need to position itself in a position to fire it's missile...right. The area for a good missile shot is called the cone of lethality. If the Su 25 was at the same speed (which I doubt) how would it catch the 777 from the rear to get into position. If approaching to the front of the 777, the Su25 is out of missile perimeters and not in the cone of lethality. He might hit the 777 but may not kill it. He will only have one shot at his attack if travelling at the same speed because he can't pull enough G's to catch the 777 after they pass and catch it again.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: rustyclutch

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: ANNED

Sounds like you are mad at the evidence bro. It never says the plane was shot down by an SU-25. It says at a point in time right before the crash that a su-25 and the 777 were 3-5 km apart. Ukraine denied having aircraft in the area period PUBLICLY. Like I said. I'm of the idea that they knew the rebels had one buk missile set they captured maybe and they shot the airliner down to pin it on them. At least my opinion is based in some type of fact. To believe the American side of the story is like believing in Santa Claus. There is no proof like there is no Santa.


then by your own statement and the pro-Russian rebels did fire a shot at what they thought was one target, but hit another...they're guilt free?

The separatists and the Russian Gov't are spinning like no tomorrow. I think they took a page out of the 0bama playbook.


Where do you see me saying the rebels fired a shot mistakenly? A thread from 3 days ago. I sure as hell haven't said it in the past 48 hours. Try to stay on topic. Or at least try to not put words in my mouth.


Please re-read what you just posted.

I didn't put words in your mouth. But you just confirmed what you posted. LOL

edit on 21-7-2014 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex




And yes, I'm still laughing at your attempt.


Well, that could be an effect of the meds, and anyway I was referring to the comparison of Russian intel to Western intel, when, in fact, the West has failed to produce any...Regardless of the veracity of the Russian information....does that clear things up?



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: TDawgRex dude can ya seriously not smell a rat in the american and ukraine story,please look at this whole issue again taking into account the new banking system and the vast resources russia mantains




Don't you find it odd that the plane was shot down after new sanctions were issued?

Sounds like Putin threw a temper tantrum.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: stuthealien
a reply to: TDawgRex dude can ya seriously not smell a rat in the american and ukraine story,please look at this whole issue again taking into account the new banking system and the vast resources russia mantains



That's another thread all together. The US has quite a lot of resources, as does Russia. I've always said war was about resources. Religion and ideology are just the means to drive the masses to support war.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: rustyclutch

It has gotten so pahetic that you can't even review the released intel and come to a conclusion following the logical process of putting the released bits of info in perspective.

If someone tries to debunk the whole story based on the info it contains, and you refute that, using the same info, you can not win that discussion because some bright light comes up with the argument "but that info comes from the Russians".

This is beyond retarted if you ask me.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex

No point in arguing with you. You believe in a side of the story that can't be substantiated by anything. Every piece of evidence they have tried to use to frame Russia has been dismantled. All that is left of the "official" story is accusations. Are we to believe that the Russians can fabricate the truth faster than the Americans can produce what really happened?
Not gonna waste my breath arguing with you people today. You are wrong. You will never admit to it because you choose to ignore that facts. Even the accused is allowed to defend themselves in court and present a defense. Russia has presented their defense. Meanwhile the prosecutor doesn't even have a case. Trumped up charges. Russia has to be the liar because it's Russia.

The irony of this situation is too much for me to bear. I bid you gentleman good day. I await your threads with the PROOF of your side of the story. I'm actually pretty certain none of you will be making that thread because there will never be any evidence presented. Just like them Syrian chemical weapons attacks, Saddams WMD's, Bin Ladin hidin in Afghanistan(pakistan it turns out to be). America gets caught in a million lies and everytime you suckers think this time is different. No wonder they keep feeding us these stupid stories in the news. People really believe it.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: TDawgRex




And yes, I'm still laughing at your attempt.


Well, that could be an effect of the meds, and anyway I was referring to the comparison of Russian intel to Western intel, when, in fact, the West has failed to produce any...Regardless of the veracity of the Russian information....does that clear things up?


No, not at all. Western Intel, along with media across the world are showing the separatists and yes, the Russian Gov't as hindering the investigation. It's been filmed and independently documented.

Time to go back to MISO school.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: rustyclutch

My opinion at this time is very simple:

The Rebels did it.

The Rebels were bated (flight path altered) by Ukrainian Forces. - If true.
If Ukrainians intentional divert the flight path to a new trajectory (were the rebels were shooting at antonovs or plains) escorting them with a jet fighter endangering the safety of the civil aircraft. If they did that, they are co-responsible for the tragic results.

(let's wait for the cross of information from traffic control recordings and the black box's, at the moment in opposite hands - better still)



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: thesaneone strange then that untill the new banking system was ongoing europe was peacefull then all hell broke loose, then a airliner shot down ,sounds classic cia operationto me ,wasnt saddam proposing to start a new banking system also with no petrol dollar?????????????



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: TDawgRex

originally posted by: Flatcoat

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch

I find it funny that when people believe in the western intel we get crapped on but when the ussr "facts" come out everyone is to except it as truth.

Around and Around we go.

Except the west hasn't produced any "intel".


And Russia has?!

That's flippin' hilarious. you should get a comedy show.


A lot more than the west has laughing boy.



Links? Other than RT propaganda, or FOXNews or MSNBC or BBC.

I'm looking for proof of who is guilty, I don't base this upon some emotion....Prove your case with facts, not emotion.

And yes, I'm still laughing at your attempt.


than please wait for the investigation and stop making your mind before any evidence!

what does it means: "rebels looks guilty"?

that is just empty words, nothing of substance - pure propaganda.

just like statements of Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and other soulless warmongers are NOTHING, empty words - pure propaganda.

still no evidence but I smell a (once again) master move from Putin.

it shouldn't be so hard for him since Western propaganda is failing big time lately and childish accusations from so called "world leaders" are empty of meaning + will backfire when new (first) evidence and data is presented.



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