Ukrainian Su-25 warplane detected heading toward Malaysian Boeing

a reply to: ANNED
Why STILL don't know why some of guys are still OMITTING this basic Question:

why it's taking so long to listen to that recordings, from KIEV Traffic control... The same didn't happened for the private rebels intercepted phone calls. why don't you ask these kind of questions?

a reply to: TDawgRex

Actually our military experts haven't proven anything. Neither have our politicians. The few pieces of evidence that materialized have all been debunked by Russia. If you can't back up your claims Russia did it, then stop spreading lies and disinfo.

That radar image was the wrong plane.

See the other thread

Looks like Singapore 351

I see it was removed from the article....

a reply to: rustyclutch

You should take your own advice.

originally posted by: roadgravel
That radar image was the wrong plane.

See the other thread

Looks like Singapore 351

I see it was removed from the article....

Its not the wrong plain. 351 goes to a different signature. Fallow the line. The dot without information where the pointer is, is where the Mh17 whent of teh grid, and the singature from the Su showed up.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch



You should take your own advice.

And once again....no facts to refute anything. Just a circular argument that ends with you making a smart alleck comment followed by a smiley that I guess makes you feel like you made a point.

a reply to: spy66

Not buying that, If they are not shown together. Since there was not explanation of what was shown, how does that get to be the facts.

edit; if it's such real evidence, why did it get removed from the article.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: TDawgRex

Actually our military experts haven't proven anything. Neither have our politicians. The few pieces of evidence that materialized have all been debunked by Russia. If you can't back up your claims Russia did it, then stop spreading lies and disinfo.

In this moment, Russia has debunked nothing and the West has conclusively proven nothing. A crime scene has been contaminated to perhaps beyond the point of determining what really happened and you can blame the separatists for that.

The same people that refuse to accept the Russian intel are the same people that think the situation in Ukraine is because of "Russian Expansion". Just saying. Every thread regardless of what information is provided, Russia is always the bad guy. Even prior to the plane crash. Keep spouting Washington propoganda and I will keep calling you the liars and disinfo agents that you are. Stop making unsubstantiated claims. Prove Russia did it. In a court of law they win hands down. You don't even have a case. In fact you could be sued for defamation of character and slander.

originally posted by: LarryLove
a reply to: rustyclutch
Members' egos are centric to their posts and not what has really happened.

speak for Yourself

Just watched a C4 agenda led 'documentary' on this, basically just putting spin on the already shown propaganda style MSM news.

Appallingly they capitalised on the grief of a victim's relative and interviews from friends of another victim, though to a certain friend it appeared rather amusing.

As for the 'if the rebels weren't capable' they offered an ex Russian intel agent as the culprit ''this guy'', then stating ''there isn't any evidence of him being part of or aiding rebels'' but ''it's like being an Oxford or Cambridge grad'', ''it sticks with you'', or words to that effect.

Then went on to some 'expert' proclaiming Russian sanctions as the only way forward.

Utter hogwash.

'Reporting' at it's worst, it was basically a half hour advert against Russia.

a reply to: rustyclutch

There are no facts from either side yet, until the international community provides the facts then this thread is going to be filled with opinions.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: spy66

Not by that, If they are not shown together. Since there was not explanation of what was shown, how does that get to be the facts.

Well the radar that paicked up these airline only picked up trafic abowe 5000 if i am not mistaken.

Mh17 was deverted from its original corridoor and to the North. The SU was probably waiting bellow 5000 until it could Climb up hidden by the Mh17 signature. The Su was observed flying at the location for while by the radar. The Opereator taged it many times, and you could see a different information signature show up in Orange.

a reply to: voyger2

you clearly omit the recordings of Kiev traffic control, why is that??

I haven't heard anything about them, so how can someone omit something they haven't heard?

That's why.

a reply to: spy66

Maybe you are mistaking radar images for Satellite images. Satellites would have picked up whatever was flying in line of site regardless of radar.

originally posted by: voyger2

originally posted by: LarryLove
a reply to: rustyclutch
Members' egos are centric to their posts and not what has really happened.

speak for Yourself

You misunderstand the context that statement was made in. But, hey why not!

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch

There are no facts from either side yet, until the international community provides the facts then this thread is going to be filled with opinions.

Well the fact that the separatists held on to the black boxes to give them to Malaysian officials show to me that they know they have truth on their side and didn't want "persons" with agendas getting them, for fear of tampering.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: spy66

Not buying that, If they are not shown together. Since there was not explanation of what was shown, how does that get to be the facts.

edit; if it's such real evidence, why did it get removed from the article.

Good questions, but the pic did show 3 separate lines, implying 3 planes, of which 2 were identified.

Maybe they pulled it because they can't prove it was an Ukrainian jet, even though it is the only logical option if it wasn't theirs.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: rustyclutch

There are no facts from either side yet, until the international community provides the facts then this thread is going to be filled with opinions.

Nothing will be proof to you because it isn't what you wanted to hear. If there was one shred of proof you thought you could bring to the table you would be beating me over the head with it right now. But you aren't because that proof doesn't exist. Keep lying and spreading disinfo. Real classy.

originally posted by: rustyclutch
a reply to: spy66

Maybe you are mistaking radar images for Satellite images. Satellites would have picked up whatever was flying in line of site regardless of radar.

The video evidence of the flight is from a radar. Not a satellite. The images taken of the Ukrainan BUKs are taken by Russian Satellite.

The Us claim to have satellite images of the event, but have not shown them yet. They probably take a few days to produce.