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Israeli military ‘using flechette rounds in Gaza Strip’

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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:42 AM
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Israel is allegedly using flechette rounds in their fight against Hamas militants in Gaza, according to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights. Obviously, i would take this report with a large grain of salt, considering its source, but it wouldn't be the first time Israel would be caught using the rounds in the area. That means that there is a pretty good possibility that Israel is indeed, using flechette rounds in their current fights.

In circumstances regarding the Gaza Strip, it is said that the use of Flechette rounds is illegal under humanitarian law.

I quote from The Independent:




The Israeli military is reportedly using flechette shells in its offensive in Gaza, weapons described as illegal under “rules of humanitarian law” by an Israeli human rights organisation.

Generally fired by a tank and described as an “imprecise weapon” ill-suited to combat in a built-up area, flechette shells explode in the air above a target, sending out a cone of thousands of tiny steel darts each no more than 4cm (1.57 ins) long.

According to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), six such shells were fired towards the village of Khuzaa in the Gaza Strip on 17 July, the Guardian reported.

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When approached by the newspaper, the Israeli military did not deny using the shells in the conflict, saying that it only deploys weapons “determined lawful under international law”.


www.independent.co.uk...
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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:45 AM
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a reply to: daaskapital

And the US uses napalm,incendiary bombs,white phosphorous,depleted uranium and cluster bombs does that make them just as evil?



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: daaskapital

And the US uses napalm,incendiary bombs,white phosphorous,depleted uranium and cluster bombs does that make them just as evil?


Anyone who uses illegal weaponry is in the wrong. That is why such weaponry is illegal.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:50 AM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: daaskapital

And the US uses napalm,incendiary bombs,white phosphorous,depleted uranium and cluster bombs does that make them just as evil?


Well yes, yes it does.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: daaskapital

And the US uses napalm,incendiary bombs,white phosphorous,depleted uranium and cluster bombs does that make them just as evil?


Use of ANY weapons is bad but yes I agree, we will and should demand Israel stop using ALL weapons, Hamas stop using ALL weapons and if we could get the biggest culprit to stop...The US, wow that would transform the planet for the better.

I wonder where Israel get these weapons from?



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: daaskapital

And the US uses napalm,incendiary bombs,white phosphorous,depleted uranium and cluster bombs does that make them just as evil?


Anyone who uses illegal weaponry is in the wrong. That is why such weaponry is illegal.



Anybody who uses weapons as an aggressor is wrong. Illegal or not.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:56 AM
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funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 02:07 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 02:16 AM
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originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.




so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 02:21 AM
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www.icrc.org...$FILE/HCJ%208990.02.%20PDF.pdf pdf 5 pages so not to big but it seems to be the law in question (local Israeli law and apparently not an international one ) but its what i could find on the topic,i know most modern army's tanks have what are called canister shot but thats round balls instead of darts so i think that would be ruled differently

en.wikipedia.org...

CCWC lacks verification and enforcement mechanisms and spells out no formal process for resolving compliance concerns. A state-party can refute its commitment to the convention or any of the protocols, but it will remain legally bound until one year after notifying the treaty depositary, the UN Secretary-General, of its intent to be free of its obligations.
so i guess its on the honor system to to speak meaning it cant really be enforced

lawofwar.org... this seems to say they arent illegal but highly frowned upon by certain countries



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 02:30 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.




so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 02:34 AM
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originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.




so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.





murder is still well just that....i could use a 9mm and shoot you in the head for a quick death...or i could shoot you in the knee caps and elbows for a slow and pain full death...can you see what i am getting at here ?



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.


so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.





murder is still well just that....i could use a 9mm and shoot you in the head for a quick death...or i could shoot you in the knee caps and elbows for a slow and pain full death...can you see what i am getting at here ?


you're still using gun, right?

what if you used white phosphorous on me and I didn't die?

that is the whole point and that is why some weapons are being prohibited.

why would you want to see more and scarier types of disabled people around us?



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:18 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.




so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.





murder is still well just that....i could use a 9mm and shoot you in the head for a quick death...or i could shoot you in the knee caps and elbows for a slow and pain full death...can you see what i am getting at here ?


First off shooting knee caps and elbows won't kill, secondly would you prefer to be kill outright or die a slow agonizing death from radiation poisoning and have further generations of your family born with defects? That is why some weapons are deemed illegal, these fletchette rounds are designed to cause misery and nothing else, they rip and shred their victims leaving them in wheelchairs and as amputees.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.


so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.





murder is still well just that....i could use a 9mm and shoot you in the head for a quick death...or i could shoot you in the knee caps and elbows for a slow and pain full death...can you see what i am getting at here ?


you're still using gun, right?

what if you used white phosphorous on me and I didn't die?

that is the whole point and that is why some weapons are being prohibited.

why would you want to see more and scarier types of disabled people around us?





what if you didnt die from the above mentioned injuries i caused with a gun ?



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.


so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.





murder is still well just that....i could use a 9mm and shoot you in the head for a quick death...or i could shoot you in the knee caps and elbows for a slow and pain full death...can you see what i am getting at here ?


you're still using gun, right?

what if you used white phosphorous on me and I didn't die?

that is the whole point and that is why some weapons are being prohibited.

why would you want to see more and scarier types of disabled people around us?





what if you didnt die from the above mentioned injuries i caused with a gun ?


...

it would be the best if we could ban all weapons but that is impossible so at least we can try to ban those weapons and ammunition that are maiming and not primarily killing.

the purpose of any warfare shouldn't be creating disabled population.

we are trying to regulate such weapons so at least warfare can leave less horrible consequences.
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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:21 AM
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originally posted by: daaskapital
That is why such weaponry is illegal.


Fletchette rounds are NOT illegal. Most countries have them.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:26 AM
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originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.




so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.





murder is still well just that....i could use a 9mm and shoot you in the head for a quick death...or i could shoot you in the knee caps and elbows for a slow and pain full death...can you see what i am getting at here ?


First off shooting knee caps and elbows won't kill, secondly would you prefer to be kill outright or die a slow agonizing death from radiation poisoning and have further generations of your family born with defects? That is why some weapons are deemed illegal, these fletchette rounds are designed to cause misery and nothing else, they rip and shred their victims leaving them in wheelchairs and as amputees.





there is no dispute that what they are doing is nasty...the point i am trying to make is any weapon can cause pain to the point of wanting to be dead....for arguments sake i could use my hands and fists to wound someone to the point of never walking or even eating food again...i could knock out your teeth and break you jaw to the point of having to suck soup through a straw for the rest of your life...none of it is acceptable that is the point...nothing more nothing less ....

in the words of Metallica...




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:29 AM
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flechette rounds...




cannot justify the use of flechette shells by the IDF in the Gaza Strip. While flechettes are not expressly forbidden under international humanitarian law in all circumstances, other rules of humanitarian law render their use in the Gaza Strip illegal. One of the most fundamental principles is the obligation to distinguish between those who are involved and those who are not involved in the fighting, and to avoid to the extent possible injury to those who are not involved. Deriving from this principle is the prohibition of the use of an imprecise weapon which is likely to result in civilian injuries.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 03:32 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: sosobad

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: demus

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: AnuTyr

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
funny thing is weapons of any description are designed to Mame and kill i find it a little silly that some are allowed and others not.....murder is murder regardless of the weapon used to do the job


You might want to rethink that statement when it comes to bio-weaponry.




so there are humane ways to murder and inhumane ways....i would argue the same result is achieved either way


that is if you die...

what if you don't die?

that is the issue with that "illegal weapons" - there are some scary side-effects beside killing the enemy.





murder is still well just that....i could use a 9mm and shoot you in the head for a quick death...or i could shoot you in the knee caps and elbows for a slow and pain full death...can you see what i am getting at here ?


First off shooting knee caps and elbows won't kill, secondly would you prefer to be kill outright or die a slow agonizing death from radiation poisoning and have further generations of your family born with defects? That is why some weapons are deemed illegal, these fletchette rounds are designed to cause misery and nothing else, they rip and shred their victims leaving them in wheelchairs and as amputees.





there is no dispute that what they are doing is nasty...the point i am trying to make is any weapon can cause pain to the point of wanting to be dead....for arguments sake i could use my hands and fists to wound someone to the point of never walking or even eating food again...i could knock out your teeth and break you jaw to the point of having to suck soup through a straw for the rest of your life...none of it is acceptable that is the point...nothing more nothing less ....

in the words of Metallica...



That's true I suppose but Israel already have a more sophisticated military,no need to be adding to the misery

And on a side note, remind me never to piss you off







 
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