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Video found of MH17 black box, rebels caught in a lie.

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posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: generik

The controllers don't make that choice though, higher agencies do, and they move slow historically.

In all honesty, if you look at the numbers, flying in a civilian aircraft over a war zone isn't a lot more dangerous than flying anywhere else. Not that it's a good idea, just the numbers say that it's not a high risk choice.

Of course if you're one if the few to get caught in it, that doesn't help much.




posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate
If we can review the communications before the flight went down we would know for certain whether the flight had any escorts. It would also make clear with proof if it was a surface to air or air to air missile.


no the only things it would make clear is if the had radio communication, or mechanical problems. the only way there would be an indication of where a missile might have come from is if the pilots saw it and commented on it which i suspect is rather unlikely. the same for escorting fighters, the most you would have is pilot comments, and possibly an aircraft proximity warning.

what would be far more helpful would be air tragic control information and tapes which would have control/aircraft communications and radar information. so where is that? why are we not hearing anything about those records which should be readily available from the pro west faction of this civil war, since they apparently are the ones in control of most government functions. or even from Poland, where the flight seems to deviate from the southern course to the one that took it over the war zone.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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I see an unidentified person in an unidentified place holding something orange.

The YouTube channel featuring this video posted its first video the day before the crash. And it seems like all (or at least most) of the videos since then have been about the crash.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: ken10

Because their motives are pure, right? That's why the bodies were removed at gunpoint, and some were looted.


I guess as at any accident there will be many there for different reasons.....Some to loot yes, but others as we saw trying to do right by the people killed. And that includes making sure the recorders reach the right people.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: Moresby

And about the only thing rescue orange on a plane is the recorder.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: MarlinGrace
a reply to: clay2 baraka

Installing tin hat as I type, but this video could have been produced anywhere here in the US, and several other countries I suspect.



I was waiting for that response. I have watched quite a few videos of the crash scene. If this is faked which is very unlikely, the level of detail that would have went into this from uniforms to ground vegetation and terrain would be awe inspiring..

It looks like someone on the ground got pissed by the coverup and leaked this for the world to see. I fear for their safety..



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: sosobad

Why lie about it though. It won't show anything but what happened on the plane so there's no reason to lie about finding them.


maybe they are just protecting the data from Ukrainians?

maybe Ukrainians would have destroyed/lost the black box if presented with opportunity.

just guessing, there is a serious lack of information and serious abundance of misinformation...



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: Moresby
I see an unidentified person in an unidentified place holding something orange.

The YouTube channel featuring this video posted its first video the day before the crash. And it seems like all (or at least most) of the videos since then have been about the crash.


we all still remember youtube videos of chemical attack by rebels in Syria, right? there is something similar going on - some shady videos and "leaked" info is supposed to teach us "the truth"...



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Moresby

And about the only thing rescue orange on a plane is the recorder.


What plane?

I see a bunch of people in a field, a tent and some orange trucks.

No indication that this is a crash site. No indication that this is recent.

This video is evidence of nothing.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 12:48 PM
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The black boxes AND the BUK missile system have all been sent into Russia, and out of the hands of the international investigators. Damning evidence is now all but certainly being tampered with.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Last I heard the bodies were being recovered just fine. I don't know if I trust the looting, because.. who says.

I do know that Russia didn't want custody of the boxes because they knew that Ukraine would say they were tampering with them. I would say the separatists have them and are incapable of tampering unlike Ukraine and Russia would be.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
The black boxes AND the BUK missile system have all been sent into Russia, and out of the hands of the international investigators. Damning evidence is now all but certainly being tampered with.


any proof for that or it's just government line propaganda bull#?

we have enough of it as it is.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: demus

MH17 Black Box ‘Sent to Moscow for Investigation’

Ukraine charges anti-aircraft systems moved to Russia (latimes.com)

Three Buk missile systems have made their way from eastern Ukraine across the border into Russia, Ukrainian officials said Saturday, including one lacking the missile they believe brought down a Malaysia Airlines jet the day before.


(Tucked in the corner of a leafy square, is this the Russian missile launcher that blasted flight MH17 out of the sky? (dailymail.co.uk)

  • Expert believes that MH17 was downed by a missile fired from rebel-held Torez in eastern Ukraine
  • Downing Street supports claims the missile was launched from Torez by 'pro-Russian separatists'
  • BUK launcher has been pictured rumbling into the town just two hours before the crash
  • Ukraine’s security agency, the SBU, has released recordings of intercepted phone calls
  • Claim they prove Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by a group of Russian-backed Cossack militants
  • Neither recording - which allegedly includes a Russian military intelligence officer - could be independently verified
  • Laughing rebels filmed the plane as it crashed, gleefully bragging 'that was a blast – look at the smoke!'
  • Hillary Clinton said that there 'should be outrage in European capitals' over the downing of the airliner
  • Expert claims that pilot of MH17 'felt uncomfortable' about his route over Ukraine but diverted to hostile airspace
  • Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported the crash at 16.13 Moscow time - 'several minutes before the crash'


Source: Missile system transported back to Russia (CNN.com)

U.S. officials telling CNN they believe a Buk missile system, a surface-to-air weapon, was smuggled into Ukraine prior to Flight 17 being shot down.

Those officials say they believe it was moved back to Russia after the attack. The implication is that Russia is trying to tamper with evidence.


Includes photos of the missile system from Torez they believe was used in the shooting, missing one of it's missiles, and now apparently shipped into Russia out of investigators reach.

Video Purports to Show Russians Moving Buk Missiles Out of Ukraine

While the blame game continues over who launched the ground-to-air missile that took down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, killing 298 people on Thursday, video has been uploaded to YouTube purportedly showing a Buk SAM launcher being moved by truck towards the Russian border.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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a reply to: Blackmarketeer

didn't think so.

thank you for proving my point.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

They said today that teams in the area were forced to stop while the rebels removed all the bodies to refrigerated cars and out of the area.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: Moresby

Of course, because it's possible to have the entire ten mile debris field in one picture.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: demus

Again, because their motives are as pure as the driven snow, right? Why not turn it over to investigators then. They could have secured them and let investigators into the area and turned then over. Instead they're now reported as missing.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: demus

Again, because their motives are as pure as the driven snow, right? Why not turn it over to investigators then. They could have secured them and let investigators into the area and turned then over. Instead they're now reported as missing.
Guess who just confessed?

Ukrainian rebels said they are in possession of the flight recorders from the Malaysian Air jet that crashed in a rural district of the country as international reconnaissance crews struggled to gain access to the site.

Self-proclaimed Premier Alexander Borodai of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic said he believes his forces retrieved the devices and have stored them in the embattled region’s capital city, from where they will be handed over to experts. Vitaliy Nayda, the spokesman for the Ukrainian state security services, acknowledged on state TV that the rebels have them.

www.bloomberg.com...



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: demus

Again, because their motives are as pure as the driven snow, right? Why not turn it over to investigators then. They could have secured them and let investigators into the area and turned then over. Instead they're now reported as missing.


investigators?

who are investigators?

are they independent?

who sent them and where are they?



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: demus

Fifteen Dutch investigators and sixty two from Malaysia along with others.

They were sent by their governments, along with the ICAO because they have an interest in determining what happened.

They have been trying to reach the crash site but with the rebels refusing to issue a cease for for that area they've had problems due to fighting.

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