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posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:06 PM
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i said you are still a matsman , not a batman of the high degree, so you still dont know much about nimrud oath the skul and the v shaped engineering device since you re not initiated in the degrees where you see those ensignia.




posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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Edited due to misreading a posters comment.
edit on 27-7-2014 by AugustusMasonicus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: adnanmuf
i said you are still a matsman , not a batman of the high degree, so you still dont know much about nimrud oath the skul and the v shaped engineering device since you re not initiated in the degrees where you see those ensignia.


And which degrees are those since your knowledge of Masonry is so extensive?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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looki here every body knows the ensignias of the freemasons but you (dissimulation, cloak and dagger, skul and bones)



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: adnanmuf
looki here every body knows the ensignias of the freemasons but you...


I know our symbols quite well, I give lectures on them regularly. There is no mention of a 'v thing' or 'skulls' in the ritual.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

your a mason and I'm one of those evil shia.... if the OP doesn't need proof for any word out of his mouth, then why would you, I, or any rational thinking person take any of this trash seriously?

My big intellectual contribution to this thread is nill.... there is nothing "intellectual" about this thread, or any single word written therein. Why take it seriously?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:21 PM
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I am taking about this

masonic alter with compass found in the villa of mysteries

the altar of freemasons found in the main hall of the villa of the mysteries of Pompeii 70 AD in italy, the villa was the secret initiation place outside of twon on the road surrounded by semetaries?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
My big intellectual contribution to this thread is nill.... there is nothing "intellectual" about this thread...


Then we are in agreement.

And just out of curiosity, who considers you evil?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: adnanmuf
I am taking about this
masonic alter with compass found in the villa of mysteries


That link goes to a Masonic page and not to a picture of an 'altar with compass' in Pompeii.

the altar of freemasons found in the main hall of the villa of the mysteries of Pompeii 70 AD in italy, the villa was the secret initiation place outside of twon on the road surrounded by semetaries?


Show us a picture.

Oh, and by the way, the Cult of Dionysus was for both men and women. Masonry is a fraternity.

Did mommy and daddy explain the difference between men and women to you?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The OP

He is dogging me just as hard as you...heck in re-reading the OP probably harder...
edit on 27-7-2014 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
The OP
He is dogging me just as hard as you...


Missed that. Apologies.

So I take it you are the wrong flavor of Muslim in his opinion?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yep....



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


If that is your cynical take on how you should treat people then I pity you.

..get your shubshub, did i?
if most of "OUR" friends are dragons & owls, what does this say about "US"?

fwiw, the only gold i'm interested in..
..is the stuff that used to be lead
making not-so-good men "decent" (or at least trying to)

you needn't "pity" my naturally blind condition, good sir
just direct & regulate me, remember?


the "blind Force of the people is a Force that must be economized, and also managed. . . it must be regulated by intellect. "To attack the citadels (Institutions) built up on all sides against the human race by superstitions (religion), despotisms, and prejudices, the force must have a brain and a law (the Illuminati's). Then its (Force) deeds of daring produce permanent results, and there is real progress. Then there are sublime conquests. . . When all forces combined, and guided by the Intellect (Illuminati), and regulated by the Rule of Right, and Justice, and of combined and systematic movement and effort, the great revolution prepared for the ages will begin to march. . . It is because Force is ill regulated that revolutions prove failures" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1-2 (Rev. Ed. 1950).


but feel free to get us all back on track
about how a 5000+ year tradition has no hand in the machinations of the world
and just likes to sit on the porch, sipping koolaid & discussing the weather



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: UNIT76
..get your shubshub, did i?
if most of "OUR" friends are dragons & owls, what does this say about "US"?


Huh?

fwiw, the only gold i'm interested in..
..is the stuff that used to be lead
making not-so-good men "decent" (or at least trying to)


Again, huh?

just direct & regulate me, remember?

the "blind Force of the people is a Force that must be economized, and also managed. . . it must be regulated by intellect. "To attack the citadels (Institutions) built up on all sides against the human race by superstitions (religion), despotisms, and prejudices, the force must have a brain and a law (the Illuminati's). Then its (Force) deeds of daring produce permanent results, and there is real progress. Then there are sublime conquests. . . When all forces combined, and guided by the Intellect (Illuminati), and regulated by the Rule of Right, and Justice, and of combined and systematic movement and effort, the great revolution prepared for the ages will begin to march. . . It is because Force is ill regulated that revolutions prove failures" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, 1-2 (Rev. Ed. 1950).

First, that is an altered translation. Second, do you even understand what Pike is writing about? He is admonishing the human race to look at ourselves in a rational and intellectual manner and not allow ourselves to be governed by superstition, tyrants and prejudices. Frankly, it makes perfect sense.


but feel free to get us all back on track
about how a 5000+ year tradition has no hand in the machinations of the world
and just likes to sit on the porch, sipping koolaid & discussing the weather


Where is anyone claiming that Masonry is 5,000+ years old and what is the proof?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

huh? huh?

you never "seem" to know what i'm typing about, do you?



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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so now you are defending Pike?



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: adnanmuf

..i thought you'd like that little slice



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 02:19 AM
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a reply to: adnanmuf
Going back to your assertion that Freemasonry stemmed from the medieval Templars I found a quote from WJB Macleod Moore, considered to the Father of Templar Masonry in Canada, stated:


“It is difficult to understand how Freemasonry and the Order of the Temple could ever have become amalgamated. Symbolic Masonry is of its very existence, cosmopolitan; Templary sprang from an origin Chivalric and Knightly. The trowel of one leveled distinctions and spread the cement of universal fraternity, the sword and spurs of the other could only be obtained and worn by men of noble birth, or those famed for heroic deeds in defense of Christian faith. There is not the slightest foundation for the fable that members of the dispersed Templars, after the political suppression in 1314, became Freemasons; it is but one of the fabrications of modern Masonic tradition to account for the amalgamation of Templary with Masonry, totally opposed to historic facts, for it is not even probable that the proud and haughty nobles of that age, from which class the Templar Order was selected would engraft themselves upon a society of mere mechanics, when all the great Military Orders of Europe were open to them, and only too glad to receive into their ranks so renowned a military body as the Chivalric Templars.”



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 02:27 AM
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double post
edit on 28-7-2014 by KSigMason because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: adnanmuf
Why is it that you need to play the "my religion is better than yours" game? Is your faith so week you need to attack others to feel better?


hence only people who denounce religions enter the secret societies!!!!!!!!!!

Then by this very quote, Freemasonry is not a secret society.

Plus this is really a illogical statement.


here is also a quote from a freemason elder book proves the connections of FREEMASONS to the Magi

Who stated this?


the method is free sex, animalisticism, heathenism to include all what human soul desireth with no limits or guards (humanism)

And where does this happen in Freemasonry?


So to guard the blasphemous goal they make it secret, and so for an initiate to attain all the secrets, he needs to pass through stages, and every stage lasts several years, during which he indulge in all the heathen practices of the methods,
hence by the time he reached highest degree he did or was forced to do all heathen and unlawful thing.


No you don't, but I don't expect an anti-Mason to actually know what goes on in Freemasonry.





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