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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 05:04 PM
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I am a Muslim myself, and you are correct, there are many verses in the Quran about Jihad, however these verses CLEARLY state that it is only ok to attack when you are defending yourself or defending your religion. These "So-Called" Jihadist Muslims are not Muslims, they are lunatic radicals that are using the Islamic religion as an excuse for their barbaric actions. Islam is a very beautiful and peaceful religion that does not promote violence. It is is these terrorists that are creating a bad name for islam around the world. As a Muslim, I have many friends of all different religions, including Judaism and I believe that they are good people too. As a matter of fact, the Quran accepts Christians and Jews and refers to them as the "People of the book". People need to stop referring to muslims as terrorists. Anyone that is going out and killing innocent people "For the sake of Allah" is no Muslim, they are a filthy, confused soul that is using a religion as a mask. These terrorists are actually the worst enemies of Islam.




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: smithjustinb

I'm old enough to remember when the Jews, flocking to Palestine after WWII were the terrorist, fighting even the British.



Odd how no one ever calls Israel out on its terrorist ways, then and now, nor their attack on the USS Liberty, nor the fact that they attacked Palestinians first after those 3 teens were killed by their own.

Israel is the b!tch of the world. No matter what they do, it is never their fault and someone (USA) always saves them.

Derek



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

Americans side with terrorists because the enemy has used infiltration and disinformation to such a successful degree. Our culture has been gutted from the inside out. Americans are increasingly distanced from the core beliefs and worldview that once made America a strong, free nation.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: smithjustinb

Israel was born 1948.

(Palestine) Native Arabs before 1948:


(Current) Conflict: Palestine & Israel

Israeli casualties = 000.01%
Palestinian Casualties = 100%

Ron Paul: Israel Created Hamas:



Transcript: (2009)

“But there is a political liability which I think is something that we fail to look at because too often there is so much blowback from our intervention in areas that we shouldn’t be involved in. You know, Hamas, if you look at the history, you will find that Hamas was encouraged and actually started by Israel because they wanted Hamas to counteract Yasir Arafat.”

“You say, well yeah, it was better then and served its purpose, but we didn’t want Hamas to do this. So then we, as Americans, say, Well, we have such a good system; we’re going to impose this on the world. We’re going to invade Iraq and teach people how to be democrats. We want free elections. So we encouraged the Palestinians to have a free election. They do, and they elect Hamas.”

“So we first, indirectly and directly through Israel, helped establish Hamas. Then we have an election where Hamas becomes dominant, then we have to kill them. You know, it just doesn’t make sense. During the 1980s, we were allied with Osama bin Laden and we were contending with the Soviets. It was at that time our CIA thought it was good if we radicalize the Muslim world. So we finance the Madrassas school to radicalize the Muslims in order to compete with the Soviets.”

“There is too much blowback…”





Why are Americans siding with t̶e̶r̶r̶o̶r̶i̶s̶t̶s̶ ̶ Palestinian?

Because, we're on the side of the oppressed.
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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:04 PM
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I agree that the leadership of both parties have engaged in all kinds of wars. 100% agree.

But I was specifically addressing the poster who went on a anti-Muslim "Muslims are the most violent folk" rant. That's why I threw back the Christians and right-wingers who have done so too. Note that more right wing fundamentalists are super anti-Muslim than progressives.


originally posted by: Bearack

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: lme7898354
It seems funny to me that here is the US we have all kinds of religions worshiped by all kinds of people and we don't go down the street killing each other because they don't believe in what we believe in. Although I have not read the Koran, but the nation of Islam has created more terrorists and hate groups wishing to kill anyone who doesn't fall in line with their beliefs.

Even within a country like Iraq, you have the Suneas and the shea (I'm sure is messed up the spelling) who are both sects of Islam who can't even co-exist in their own country.


footnote: I'm in no way saying that all people of Islam are terrorists but groups like Hamas, Al Quaida and others want to rule by the sword and not by love and peace as any bible preached.


Most Christians aren't following that Biblical mandate by any means. Look at George Bush Jr. He claimed Jesus was his lord and went on to invade two countries, one of which posed no threat (Iraq). This resulted in up to 200,000 civilian deaths. CIVILIAN.

Bush also engaged in torture, a war crime.

Why is it that so many anti-Muslim people and right wingers conveniently forget all of the wars and violence instituted by Christians or Western nations?


People who lay all the carnage of the world at the feet of right wingers are either blinded or just ignorant...

Who bombed the living bajesus out of Libya just recently??

Also...

Kennedy and LBJ perpetrated the Vietnam war where 58,000 Americans were lost and lord knows how many civilians lost.

Roosevelt entered WWII where over 70 million people lost their lives.

Harry Truman (democrat - left winger) was the only person in history to use nuclear weapons on a civilian population (or in general) killing some 200,000 people.

Woodrow Wilson got us into WWI where 117,000 Americans lost their lives and some 37 million people lost their lives.

We could go back and forth and the evils of our so called political parties but most rational people will realize that there was bad mojo performed by both party affiliations over the history of this nation. Some warranted and some not so warranted.





posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: mekhanics

I wish more people would listen to what RP said. Our government helped create radical Islam....



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: smithjustinb
The Palestine-Israeli conflict is not about land. Its about a group of people who think anyone who doesn't believe what they believe should die. Why are so many people ignorant to this? The Palestinians could live in peace in Israel if they stopped wanting to kill them because they're not Muslim. Why is Israel to blame? Israel's core belief doesn't demand that the Jews kill everyone that isn't Jewish. But there are 164 verses of Jihad in the Quran. So Palestinians wage war. How are so many people ignorant of this? How are you?

Its not Israels fault that crazy people want to and have always wanted to kill them because they aren't the same brand of crazy.

"Death to America. Death to Israel. Alahu Akbar"

How can you support people who have the same beliefs that caused 3000 people to die on 9/11 and 15000 soldiers to die defending you from them since then?




It appears from the rhetoric that you may be Jewish or likely of Semitic cultural origins, so I'll say up front that I support the the right of Israel (and that of all nations) to defend against any aggression. For the record I am of Jewish ancestry on the maternal side of the family. I became Christian at a young age and then converted to Islam in 2004 within the context of the 911 attacks, which led to long chats with imams and various Muslims with whom I was doing business. This is said to accentuate my confidence in having seen the ideological divergence through a kaleidoscope of personal experience and associations on all sides.

Albeit that I am an American first and foremost, I can honestly say that historically, Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace, were neighbors in Palestine and saw interfaith marriages prior to the Israeli statehood, June 1948. During WWII Arabs in Nazi occupied Morocco risked torture and execution, harboring Jews attempting to escape Germany.

Upon receiving state authority and sovereign backing from the UN, a group of armed Jews who held an extremist ideology began to attack towns held by Arabs, raping little girls, burning homes and executing people of all ages in front of their neighbors. This caused a mass exodus of Arabs in the hundreds of thousands from some of the finest lands in Israel, including Haifa. Since then, millions of Arabs have been pushed into arid lands, striped of their rights as citizens and walled into a containment zone that is devoid of commerce and arable lands they once held.

So the question remains, why are Arabs so angry? Which is better, religious terrorism or state terrorism?

The unspoken, unofficial Israeli (Jewish) policy of systemic social and economic isolation of Arabs for about 70 years has created the condition of criminalizing the ownership and residence of non-Jews, because of militant Zionist ideologues who preach that "Israel is only for the Jews".

Having said that, I think its quite clear to anyone with such a knowledge base that when the IDF publicizes how it warns Arabs by phone before shelling their homes, its really about the "evisceration" of one's material identity with the land through ownership, rather than an act of mercy to save Arab lives.

My hope is that anyone reading this post will pause and think about what happened to the American Native, south African Natives and many other similar tragedies throughout history.

I really think that we live in an unusual age where we have this unique opportunity to meet people from anywhere on the planet. Its an opportunity to ask questions and learn in ways that have never existed in our human family before.

I've gone to the best sources for history, including some of the people from Palestine who have lived through the unspoken tribulations of recent history.

If we are really a civilized society as we believe, then we must soon ask what is right for a sustainable peace and economic growth. Looking closely at recent (global) anomalous socio-political developments, one has to reason that while the gloves are off, escalation is the only option.

You may believe that you live in a free and open society. History is your only friend, and any authority that attempts to rewrite or hide history, is the greatest threat to world peace and you as an individual.
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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:15 PM
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Biblical arguments: Even the Bible says that the HEbrews INVADED from another location. It also describes in detail the existence of many other ethnic groups. Therefore Jews do NOT have a the primary, original, or greatest claim.

History and genetics: Quite obviously there have been countless other groups living there for millennia. Some anthropologists even think many Palestinians are the ORIGINAL Jews but converted to Islam. This would even more show they have a solid claim to the land.


originally posted by: neo96
Wait 'their' land ?



The name Palestine is given to the region spreading from eastern Mediterranean coast to the Jordan Valley to the area covering Galilee Lake in the north and southern Negev Desert. The origin of this word lies in “Plesheth”. This is a name appearing frequently in the Bible and have started being known as “Philistine” in English. The world root of “Plesheth” lies in the word “palah” was is a term used generally in the sense of migratory, referring to the Palestinian’s conquest of the coast of Mediterranean. These people were mostly originates of Asia Minor and Greece and gradually became a part of the Arab world.


www.palestinefacts.org...



Member of a group of Aegean origin that settled on the southern coast of Palestine


www.merriam-webster.com...



The political status and geographic area designated by the term have changed considerably over the course of three millennia


www.merriam-webster.com...

Hey lets conveniently IGNORE 3000 YEARS OF HISTORY to demagogue the 'Isreal'

The Arabs conquered the 'Philistines' the real 'Palestinians'.




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: 8fl0z

Before Palestine, the Jews were kicked out by Babylon and the Romans, and exterminated by the Nazi's. Where do they belong? How far back in time do we go to decide who was there "first."

If Israel wanted to obliterate Palestine, Jordan, wherever, they would have by now.

What would you do if your people were given THEIR home back, then were attacked the very next day on multiple fronts?

Wouldn't you defend yourself from that attack and the constant annoyances from these Muslim countries that have continued since then? I call them annoyances because all those countries are weak, corrupt, and useless. If Israel wanted to destroy them they would have by now.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: Not Authorized
a reply to: smithjustinb

Neutral Point of View.

Try it once. You'll find the world will fight you. Every. Step. Of. The. Way.
Lol, true. Most people, govs, and news agencies aren't really interested in justice, fairness, unbiasedness, etc. They just want to stay in they relative comfort zone or justify whatever they are doing.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:41 PM
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Oh my God. Are you claiming that Christianity and Judaism don't claim that they are the only way. To be far, many Jews don't believe that for gentiles. But any fundamentalist Christian does.


originally posted by: criticalhit

originally posted by: 8fl0z
a reply to: smithjustinb

Cant tell if trolling or.....


Jews think they are gods "chosen people" because some bored old man 2000+ years ago wrote it down on some papyrus scrolls. They think they have divine right to that dust bowl by the sea, when infact, israel as a state has existed for less than 80 years. Before Israel, it was Palestine. Since 1948, there has been a slow and systematic oppression and genocide forced onto the Palestinians by zionist jews, and now we are witnessing their final acts.

Jews and muslims have wanted to see eachother obliterated since they first came into contact. On one hand, you have gods chosen people, on the other, you have allahs chosen people. Both groups are literally INSANE, neither really wants peace, they want to dominate the other.

The only way to fix this issue is to ban abrahamic religions and their followers from spewing their bullcrap outside of their homes.


I'd have to disagree

Islam, believes it's "way" path of god whatever is the only one, Islam has a problem however it also thinks YOU should follow that way, in fact it thinks your going to "hell" if you don't it's okay to kill you if you don't and that it's a basic part of life to convert you over your dead body if need be.... which they have successfully done to 1.5 BILLION people and counting...

The Jews... do sometimes think they are the chosen of God but they aren't inviting let alone demanding anyone attend their narcissistic little party, the 20 Million Jews at best are expanding into an area the size of Rhode Island lol and the Islamic world wont do squat to let them have that inch... so they take it.

I can't sit here and condone what the jews or anyone else do while at war but it wasn't actually the Jews that decided that was their land the powers at the end of WW2 did and now they live there, some people have referred to Gaza as " a concentration camp" as a way of shaming Israel, the thing is though concentration camps have locked doors, Israel is actually doing nothing to keep them there and they exist in a sea of 1.5 BILLION Islamic who could offer them where to go, in a world that matches there own, where as there simply is no other place that's actually Jewish, and both the offer to actually uplift the Palestinians doesn't exist, likewise they refuse for the most part to go anyway choosing strife when they have an entire Islamic world to blend into

And this is the nature of Islam, to absorb everything, every inch, we can't discuss Jews taking a few miles of land when Islam stretches for 10,000 and in every location tries to dominate population and law, even in Europe and Asia and the Jews will NEVER expand to any degree that pushes them into the borders of Even Egypt or Turkey or Iraq

There's no plan to dominate the world, the demographic will never exist, call their beliefs stupid I basically agree but NEVER will they knock on any other doors and say "Have you heard about Moses" and then run you out if you haven't... your not even invited to the club, meanwhile Islam has 1/4-1/3 of the Planet and zero tolerance for anyone else.

So, if they have to kick some serious rear end to have a place they can call Home the size of Rhode Island to just go be Jews in and 1.5 Billion other Muslims can't god damn rectify 15 million refugees because they suck I wont be blaming the Jews for that situation, because in this and this issue only while I agree with Zero of the Religious nonsense, Islam shows it's true face. The Jews have NEVER said the Chinese can't Chinese or the French can't French just leave us a place for us Jews to Jew, But Islam is a horde that never stops coming wont give an inch to anyone else anywhere... In actuality the Jews can be, the religious version, as stubborn as the Islamic, but it amounts to an area the size of NYC in the Middle East and a square Mile in Brooklyn where they ask people to tolerate their ways and mostly to stay away from them lol, while Islam is a Global Invasion




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:45 PM
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If you are talking Bible here, the Bible says that the Jews invaded Canaan and committed genocide on countless Canaanite cities. There was no peaceful transition in the Bible. There was genocide, something that the Jews and Christians try to cover up (if they've ever read those parts of the Bible) or justify.

If we aren't talking BIble, and using the theory that many of the Jews are actually Canaanites and there was no invasion, then this also leads into a similar counter theory that the Palestinians evolved from the HEbrews and many converted to Christianity or Islam.


originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: minkmouse
If you took over my house and forced me to live in the cellar because a book of fairy tales you showed me said the house was promised to you by someone on page five hundred and twelve, I'd be miffed! I'd probably burn the whole house down!


The thing is. In 1200 BCE, Israel was established by the Jewish people due to a peaceful social transformation of the Canaanites. The only time Israel was peacefully inhabited were by the people who evolved there from Neanderthals and by the Jews. Everything after that was back and forth conquering.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 08:59 PM
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With all due respect... epic fail.

The terrorists, Islamists, and Arab/Muslim countries have never hated the West due to religion or "our freedoms." They are angry due to 100 years of western aggression, colonialism, and empire building. Boom.

If you were born in their shoes you would probably be one of the militants or supporters of such that you hate.


originally posted by: smithjustinb

originally posted by: BlackNWhite

originally posted by: smithjustinb
"Death to America. Death to Israel. Alahu Akbar"

How can you support people who have the same beliefs that caused 3000 people to die on 9/11 and 15000 soldiers to die defending you from them since then?


Have you ever wondered about why there is so much hate for the US and Israel in the "arab" world? Why arent they shouting "death to Germany" or 'death to Russia", "death to Argentina' ?
Ever thought about that?


No. I don't wonder. I already know.


Excerpt K 2:190-191
Set 2, Count 3+4 [2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.


www.answering-islam.org...



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 09:12 PM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: lme7898354
It seems funny to me that here is the US we have all kinds of religions worshiped by all kinds of people and we don't go down the street killing each other because they don't believe in what we believe in. Although I have not read the Koran, but the nation of Islam has created more terrorists and hate groups wishing to kill anyone who doesn't fall in line with their beliefs.

Even within a country like Iraq, you have the Suneas and the shea (I'm sure is messed up the spelling) who are both sects of Islam who can't even co-exist in their own country.


footnote: I'm in no way saying that all people of Islam are terrorists but groups like Hamas, Al Quaida and others want to rule by the sword and not by love and peace as any bible preached.


Most Christians aren't following that Biblical mandate by any means. Look at George Bush Jr. He claimed Jesus was his lord and went on to invade two countries, one of which posed no threat (Iraq). This resulted in up to 200,000 civilian deaths. CIVILIAN.

Bush also engaged in torture, a war crime.

Why is it that so many anti-Muslim people and right wingers conveniently forget all of the wars and violence instituted by Christians or Western nations?


Although I agree most christians do not correctly follow the bible, George Bush is a bad example.
Actually George Bush was asked "Are you christian?",
His reply was along the lines of "If you are asking, 'If by that you mean - Am I born again', then the answer is yes".
To understand this you need to understand the initiations undertaken by certain secret societies including the aspect of being 'born again'. This is not a reference to being born again to the Messiah of the bible. It is an occult reference that any who study secret societies would be aware of.
So in this case, there is little wonder that the conduct is not 'Christian'.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 09:14 PM
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You know, this is a false claim. I've now seen this several times, where if someone criticizes Israel a pro-Israel person says "You guys are anti-Semitic because you don't criticize all of these other countries."

First of all, most of us do if we are anti-war, pro-justice, etc. I sure do all of the time.

Second, we are discussing Israel right now. How do you know what we discuss in the rest of our lives? And, we don't need to bring up other countries except to show other examples of when situations are unacceptable or parallels. You are free to do exactly that, but don't use that to claim that we cannot talk about Israel because of other misdeeds on the part of other countries.

False equivalency.


originally posted by: TheTengriist

originally posted by: logicguy69
So true.

All of these people are ignoring the 100,000s of arabs killed by Assad, 300 today.

They only care when Jews are involved.

This website is biased. I noticed Anglojew was banned for posting truthful comments whilst people can constantly attack Israel and Jews and nothing happens to them.


"Why aren't you talking about this other place over there!" is a red herring. We're talking about Israel and Palestine here because the topic of the thread is Israel and Palestine.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: f4rwest

What would you do if your people were given THEIR home back, then were attacked the very next day on multiple fronts?


That land was only their home if they kept the covenant and as we know they didn't from previous encounters. Prior to the Arab attack, Zionism went on a rampage against Palestinian villagers, now when you take that into consideration and then look at the requirements in obtaining that land through religion you will find that Israel obtained that land based off unrighteousness. The truth is they do not have a leg to stand on because of their actions from a religious perspective.

There is more too it than simply saying "It's their land".



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 09:18 PM
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Okay, I've read about these societies. Let us say for a moment that what you say was true, and Bush just pretended to be Christian but was in fact invoking occult language.

He still campaigned partly on Christian family values, he held phone conferences with prominent evangelists, he was SUPPORTED by the religious right and those evangelists, etc.

I must remind you here that even if he was faking it, to this day most of the "religious right" supports the War in Iraq and torture under Bush. They still defend him.

So what does that mean? It means many Christians are also not very aware, supportive of unethical and violent foreign policy, and so on. Over the past 1000 years or so, countless Christians and ostensibly Christian countries have engaged in massive wars and atrocities. Hence, my point that anti-Muslim people who cite a disproportionate amount of violence emanating from Islam are incorrect.

That is my only point there.


originally posted by: motiv8d

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: lme7898354
It seems funny to me that here is the US we have all kinds of religions worshiped by all kinds of people and we don't go down the street killing each other because they don't believe in what we believe in. Although I have not read the Koran, but the nation of Islam has created more terrorists and hate groups wishing to kill anyone who doesn't fall in line with their beliefs.

Even within a country like Iraq, you have the Suneas and the shea (I'm sure is messed up the spelling) who are both sects of Islam who can't even co-exist in their own country.


footnote: I'm in no way saying that all people of Islam are terrorists but groups like Hamas, Al Quaida and others want to rule by the sword and not by love and peace as any bible preached.


Most Christians aren't following that Biblical mandate by any means. Look at George Bush Jr. He claimed Jesus was his lord and went on to invade two countries, one of which posed no threat (Iraq). This resulted in up to 200,000 civilian deaths. CIVILIAN.

Bush also engaged in torture, a war crime.

Why is it that so many anti-Muslim people and right wingers conveniently forget all of the wars and violence instituted by Christians or Western nations?


Although I agree most christians do not correctly follow the bible, George Bush is a bad example.
Actually George Bush was asked "Are you christian?",
His reply was along the lines of "If you are asking, 'If by that you mean - Am I born again', then the answer is yes".
To understand this you need to understand the initiations undertaken by certain secret societies including the aspect of being 'born again'. This is not a reference to being born again to the Messiah of the bible. It is an occult reference that any who study secret societies would be aware of.
So in this case, there is little wonder that the conduct is not 'Christian'.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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The correct answer would be that the US government leader is supporting and aiding the terrorists and states of terror. He has been doing so right along, it is only now people are waking up.

The people of the US are merely tolerating it because they know an election is coming, and they are confident they will will back the Senate and put an end to the insanity.





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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge
a reply to: neo96

Absolutely, its a crime. It all boils down to the Jews being persecuted for not accepting that Jesus was their messiah. As the bible does say, that and at this time to the end they will never lose their land again in war, Just through a false peace agreement after the Gog-Magog war.

The Gog-Magog war is going to happen soon and when it does it will be in that area but make the world wars seem small by ferociousness. It is after the peace deal that the Anti-Christ conspires with the rest of the worlds nations and then they all come against Israel for using nuclear weapons in the Gog-Magog war.

Even though they did not have a choice.


Its going to happen because it says so in the bible lol






Everyone knows the original Israelites never returned after the exodus , and european jews took advantage of this prophecy and aquired the land. They have been playing Christians like a fiddle with this religious brainwashing of prophecy. The Bible was written my mere men, theres a hint for you. Using a religion and prophecy to pull the wool over the eyes of the people to achieve land and exterminate a people.

No God no Antichrist just a blood fued over real estate
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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: smithjustinb

Israel was born 1948.



Wrong.




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