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originally posted by: crowdedskies
a reply to: TDawgRex
What if it was the West that brought it down ? ATS talks about strange conspiracies and false flags. Perhaps that will be suggested too.
originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: snarky412
I'm just wondering, like we all do. Would things quiet down, or get more heated due to other side claiming they were slandered. (Which would be true)
originally posted by: WeRpeons
I think the world needs to act together on this. The United States can't continue to take the lead in world affairs. Every country should be condemning this murderous act and evoke their own sanctions. Governments of the world cannot continue to take sides. When a country or government is involved in a criminal act, the court of public opinion needs to be heard loud and clear.
Unfortunately, the United Nations does not deal out punishments without political sympathy or bias.
originally posted by: learnatic
I like the way there is already in the question is a belief that the Russians were invovled. I've just been watching Australian TV where this line is reenforced and reiterated.
'It appears', 'it is suspected," These are just another way of saying Russia did it. The reader need to realise that just because a bit of soviet era military hard ware 'is suspected' of being used there is no 'EVIDENCE' of it being used therefore there is no grounds for saying 'it seems.' 'its suspected.'
Readers need to realise that until the forensic EVIDENCE establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that 'x' did there is no EVIDENCE.
Question; what Evidence is there that a piece of soviet era hard ware WAS USED. How could the western media know this within an hour or two.
Question; Did forensic experts arrive on the scene within an hours or two and confirm that the soviet era hard ware was used.
Question, what EVIDENCE did the western media produce to warrant words like 'it seems, or 'its suspected;
Question, How could it be shot down by mistake when it was too high to be seen and too high to be heard and to high to be certain is was it even there.
Question; both western and Russian forces have the technology to pick up the transponder signal and therefore would know that it a civilian aircraft and leave it alone. Were the Transponders turned off like what happened with one that went missing on route to china????????
To evaluate claims and counter claims the reader might like to use this criteria:
who has the capability to identify an aircraft that high in the sky when it was there as opposed to when it was first visible on radar before getting anywhere near the location it was shot down in?. Do the separatists have the capability.
Who has a interest in this event occurring. What interest has have the Russian separatists have in shooting down such a plane. This event works out very well for the Americans who are backing the bloke who took control of the Ukraine by force. Would Russia want to shoot down this aircraft when they know they will receive very bad press in the west and they know they cannot get their own point of view to the western masses?
Think about these things dear readers.