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originally posted by: Dfairlite
The first was a typo, it was meant to say late 1970's, my error.
How did israel come to control the sinai peninsula? Oh that's right, the six day war, where all of the surrounding countries readied to (and) attack(ed) israel. So israel took that over to prevent another incident and gave it back as soon as egypt was willing to sign a peace agreement. I'm OK with taking land and using it to barter peace.
Third, I didn't say there was a right to be recognized, rather a recognized right to exist.
Fourth, The many deals that israel has offered have been great for palestinians. And I notice you left out the fact that Arafat the wise responded not by just walking away but sending suicide bombers into israel.
Fifth, Israel recognized the right of a palestinian state to exist in 1948 and it's attempts to barter for peace suggest they do accept this. Meanwhile the famous three No's of khartoum say that the Arabs and Palestinians will not ever recognize israel.
Maybe try one more time.
Arafat Sends 30 Suicide Bombers To Jerusalem Middle East Newsline | 04/05/02 Posted on 4/4/2002, 10:37:42 PM by Davea ARAFAT SENDS 30 SUICIDE BOMBERS TO JERUSALEM TEL AVIV [MENL] -- Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat has approved plans to send 30 suicide bombers to Jerusalem, Israeli military intelligence officers said. The officers said Arafat approved plans for a combined effort by his Fatah movement and such Islamic opposition groups as Hamas and Islamic Jihad to send at least 30 suicide bombers to Jerusalem. The officers said Jerusalem was chosen because of its symbolic importance to Arafat and his efforts to convert the city into a Palestinian capital. "The operation is meant to carry out Arafat's threat to send what he terms a million martyrs to Jerusalem," an intelligence officer said. "When Arafat talks of martyrs, he means suicide bombers." In all, the officers said, nearly 100 suicide attackers are being prepared for missions in Israeli cities. They said the attackers are being equipped with explosive belts and trained on how to avoid Israeli troops and cross from the West Bank into the Jewish state.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
"Unfortunately this is not the case at all. Israel was never attacked in 1967, because it was the one doing the attacking."
Well, you're right in a sense and wrong in another sense. Yes, israel attacked egypt first (because of troop build up on ALL surrounding borders, and in nassers words, the desire to: "destroy israel" and all of those behind it. But israel pleaded with Jordan to stay out of the conflict and instead, jordan attacked israel. Which israel responded to.
If there is to be peace, nations must recognize the right of other nations to exist. That's all I'm getting at. I'm not saying it's a right that's guaranteed by anything, simply that for peace to exist nations must respect one another.
Arafat had everything to do with the bombings, here is just one example:
As for the arab league offer. They're offering nothing. They still refuse to recognize israel's jewish state. Why would a jewish state accept an offer that doesn't even recognize them?
As for the khartoum resolution, that's a really special way to look at it. If one member of the UN goes against the sanctions on Iran does that mean the sanctions are lifted by all of the other countries. Of course not. One member state breaking the rules does not make the agreement between the rest of them, defunct.
originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: TheTengriist
That little 'plot twist' about Israel starting the Seven Day War with an unprovoked attack on Egypt is complete nonsense, and anyone with a military or military history background will agree.
That's one thing I respect about Israel as a nation. They never let political-correctness or international pressure prevent them from taking prudent defensive action.