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Why Kiev Brought Down Flight MH-17…

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posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

no need to, its very clear by reading the countries alone... Serbia just allied totally with Russia and its strange that USA made that bill with Serbia included, also Bulgaria did the same! Also Roomania... Serbia also FINISHED the southstream...Its not in progress, but finished!

Serbia is just 2-3 hours by train from my country, we know that Serbia does not want NATO at this point... They wanted in the past but they changed path...They dont want to join EU anymore and they allied with Russia. And you know what southstream means? Russia have military access in Serbia to protect the southstream.
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posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: Ploutonas

stratrisks.com...

South Stream puts Serbia in conflict with EU

Btw, somewhere I read that Turkey, a member of NATO, wants to join the Eurasian Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakstan and others.

Only about time Serbia also wants to join the same union as EU is bankrupt and the real growth is in the East with Russia and China.

Soon Germany will want to break away from the EU for the same reasons.

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posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h




In case you forgot but Russia has no say as to what their former republics do, as they are no longer under their control and are allowed to deal with anyone they want.


You can conclude what ever you want. However, if the war breaks with Russia, then Western Europe will live for another 15 minutes at best.

US will survive, Russia will survive but Western and Central Europe will be blown out beyond repair.

So be "wise enough" and don't play the slavish poodle to the NWO masters in the DC.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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Serbia also FINISHED the southstream...Its not in progress, but finished!


Are you sure about that?


Today in Belgrad (Serbia) South Stream d.o.o. entered into a contract with Centrgaz, which won the bidding for the South Stream gas pipeline construction in the Republic of Serbia. Centrgaz will focus on design, procurement, construction and installation activities, personnel training and commissioning of South Stream in Serbia. The contract stipulates involving Serbian subcontractors in carrying out certain operations.

Taking part in the bidding procedure which started in March 2014 were four bidders, comprised of Russian and Serbian companies.


www.south-stream.info...

I would have thought you at least looked before making that absurd comment.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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Btw, somewhere I read that Turkey, a member of NATO, wants to join the Eurasian Customs Union with Russia, Belarus and Kazakstan and others.


And why wouldn't they?


The trade volume between Russia and Turkey amounted to $32.7 billion in 2013. Russia is Turkey's second-largest trade partner after the European Union. Turkey ranks eighth among Russia's foreign trade partners.


en.ria.ru...

Also understand this has nothing to do with them being in NATO, as NATO doesn't tell their members who they can and can't have as trade partners.

So what point are you trying to make?



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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You can conclude what ever you want. However, if the war breaks with Russia, then Western Europe will live for another 15 minutes at best.


And I am sure many thought that about Afghanistan when Russia invaded, and we see how long that lasted and we also see who got sent home with their tails between their legs.

So you think Russia could take out all of Western Europe in 15 minutes...Pipe dream at best.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: victor7
Soon Germany will want to break away from the EU for the same reasons.


This just highlights the total disconnect in your BS - Germany break from the EU?

They ARE the EU!



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: victor7
Soon Germany will want to break away from the EU for the same reasons.


This just highlights the total disconnect in your BS - Germany break from the EU?

They ARE the EU!


We will see !!

Germany does not want to baby sit the welfare states of the EU anymore. Lesson well learned.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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So you think Russia could take out all of Western Europe in 15 minutes...Pipe dream at best.


15 minutes or around and Western Europe will stop functioning.

Then your real pipe horror dream begins.

You are wise enough !



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 04:00 PM
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here it is link

Clinton finds opportunity to hit gazprom and thats why they try to add these countries into NATO, southstream... I am sure the next following days will be interesting to see the reaction of these countries.

We also have some interesting news from Kiev and my country... Kiev tried to give some millions to the greek orthodox monasteries, because the monasteries have strong ties with Russia...! And the monks banned the entire ukraine government, in an official statement, they also prohibit them ever to visit... link

PS: the greek monasteries scenery is known to you, by the series of "kings of thrones". It was ancient temples of greek gods once, now they have them as monasteries. There is still some ancient greek temples up there. You can search it as Meteora (area), one of the most known ancient temples in Meteora (just next to the monasteries) is the temple of Artemis, one of the most ancient Goddess in the known history of mankind.
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posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
Well when your supplying arms to a separatists group one should understand why they are not welcome.


Let me bash your head in, just a little ... assuming your an American.

Suddenly they're "rebels", "terrorists" and "separatists". Well, when the Kurds declared they wanted to be free of Iraq, wasn't it you who supplied them with arms? I mean, the kurds seem to have had this right, to separate ... same applies to Nort/South Korea, and North/South Vietnam.

Do you want more countries, where you have sold arms to "separatists" and helped them keep up a war?

So tell me, what is it that gives some separatists in other places the right to separate but not there in Ukraine ... is it maybe, that these guys in Ukraine they actually talk "russian"?

So, because they talk Russian, suddenly ultra-nationalists or "nazis" in Ukraine are your friends. The same "scum" that helped Hitler in WWII, are suddenly your pals. Or is it maybe George Bush talking here ... hey after all, his family got rich from nazi gold. Maybe those nazis in Ukraine have some more gold to give ya ... something they've kept hidden all this time.

These separatists have the right to separate from Ukraine ... it's their legal, international right. Which they have Used ... therefore their territory is no longer Ukranian territory.

So, now Americans are nazi sympathizers.

Good job. Heil George ... or is it Heil Obama bin Ladin.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 05:06 PM
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Actually americans are very clear and very concuss for what they promote. An example is, when I said about the countries who entered nato, the answer is :


originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Ploutonas




Add the link into a translator (bing or google). USA voted a new bill today, many countries to enter NATO... read which countries are these. Its not a coincidence.


That is because they don't want the same thing that happened in Ukraine to happen to them, can you blame them?

So its very clear, that americans know they promoting corruption... And this is bad for them, instead of promoting civilization, they are very aware and accepted to promote corruption.. There is no need for debate in this matter, they are very aware about these criminal acts of their government. Its like a modern percians, but never forget that percians fall by 300 light warriors...millions of them.

History proves they will fall, the sad part is for people (americans) who have nothing to do with this. The fire, along with the dry grass, also burns the fresh-green grass...Thats the sad part of it.

ps: they where actually 1200+ (not all spartans) but only the 300 spartans are known to the west.
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posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 10:49 PM
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These separatists have the right to separate from Ukraine ... it's their legal, international right. Which they have Used ... therefore their territory is no longer Ukranian territory.


This Ukraine territory or similar arguments are just farce. The basic reasoning is:

US economy is in $17 Trillion debt. They lived well on credit and do not want to pay now.
They need to wipe this debt off quickly or lose out to China, EU or even BRICS bloc in economic terms.
The service to debt is taking a big chunk out of their economic growth and stability.
War is the best way to create hyperinflation and reduce value of money by 90%.
$17 Trillion debt becomes $2 Trillion within a month.
Whom to pick a MAJOR WAR with. Someone who will fight back hard and cause some damage.
Not like Iraq or Libya, someone who will throw more than a spit in US direction.
That country is Russia. Winning over Russia will also come with bonus of vast energy and commodity resources.

US is trying very hard to provoke Russia to invade Ukraine so that it can be first weakend by the economic sanctions. Then in the premise of ejecting Russia from Ukraine, a war is declared.
Rest is a matter of if we are alive to document the developments.

NATO wants for Russia to fight now or later when Ukraine is a part of NATO with missiles placed 200 kms only.

Russia should keep the system running via remote control.
No need for formal invasion.
No need for formal Russian imposed No-Fly zone. MANPADs and Buks do that job well.
Just keep supplying the separatists with weapons that will cancel out the Kiev Junta's tanks, artillery, air force etc.
Kiev does not have much staying power financially or militarily.
Come winter the gas will be shut off for non payment and Ukraine as a country and economy will collapse.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: bjarneorn
These separatists have the right to separate from Ukraine ... it's their legal, international right. Which they have Used ... therefore their territory is no longer Ukranian territory.


Technically, they have the right, but the method has to legal within the framework of the nation concerned. The method they have used is in direct contravention to the Ukraine Constitution, not to mention the vote itself was a total farce from beginning to end (which was a whole fortnight - not enough time to organise any kind of free and fair vote).

It isn't as simple as a couple of thousand men picking up guns and declaring it so, many of whom would appear to actually have been brought in from another nation entirely.



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

originally posted by: bjarneorn
These separatists have the right to separate from Ukraine ... it's their legal, international right. Which they have Used ... therefore their territory is no longer Ukranian territory.


Technically, they have the right, but the method has to legal within the framework of the nation concerned. The method they have used is in direct contravention to the Ukraine Constitution, not to mention the vote itself was a total farce from beginning to end (which was a whole fortnight - not enough time to organise any kind of free and fair vote).

It isn't as simple as a couple of thousand men picking up guns and declaring it so, many of whom would appear to actually have been brought in from another nation entirely.



Can you enlighten us how was Maidan violence that lead to overthrow of democratically elected president legal within the framework of the nation concerned?



posted on Jul, 20 2014 @ 11:55 PM
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They will do EVIL and present it like doing good when it suits their interests.



Btw, EU is not much far behind the US. It's collective debt is $15.6 Trillion
www.eudebtclock.org...

Soon Germany will want to walk out of the mess and leave the welfare states on their own.

Both EU and NATO as bloc might even collapse as a result.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 12:11 AM
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It didn't... He fled after being impeached by the elected Parliament (as per the Constitution) for Constitutional violations. He wasn't forced out by the protesters in the slightest.



posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 12:40 AM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: cosmonova

It didn't... He fled after being impeached by the elected Parliament (as per the Constitution) for Constitutional violations. He wasn't forced out by the protesters in the slightest.


He wasn't forced out by thugs who killed more than 100 policemen? Lol
He fled because he would end up killed as well if he stayed.

Care to elaborate what constitutional violations?
His impeachment was illegal, plain and simple.



The Ukranian regime that came into existence after President Yanukovich was removed from power on 22 February 2014 is illegitimate.
It is illegitimate because the Ukrainian parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, did not follow the procedure to impeach and remove a president from power set out in the Ukrainian constitution.

Impeachment procedure

Article 108 of the constitution [1] specifies four circumstances in which a president may cease to exercise power before the end of his term. Those are:

resignation;
inability to exercise his or her powers for reasons of health;
removal from office by the procedure of impeachment;
death.
The procedure for removal from office by impeachment is laid down in Article 111 [1]. It is not unlike that required for the impeachment and removal from power of a US president, which could take months. This makes sense, since it would be absurd to allow a parliament to remove a popularly elected president on a whim without proper consideration.

Thus, Article 111 obliges the Rada to establish a special investigatory commission to formulate charges against the president, seek evidence to justify the charges and come to conclusions about the president’s guilt for the Rada to consider. To find the president guilty, at least two-thirds of Rada members must assent.

Prior to a final vote to remove the president from power, the procedure requires

the Constitutional Court of Ukraine to review the case and certify that the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration has been followed, and
the Supreme Court of Ukraine to certify that the acts of which the President is accused are worthy of impeachment.

To remove the president from power, at least three-quarters of Rada members must assent.

The Rada didn’t follow this procedure at all. No investigatory commission was established and the Courts were not involved. On 22 February, the Rada simply passed a bill removing President Yanukovych from office.

Furthermore, the bill wasn’t even supported by three-quarters of Rada members as required by Article 111 – it was supported by 328 members, when it required 338 (since the Rada has 450 members).

According to Article 94 of the constitution, laws passed by the Rada require the signature of the President to come into force, so no law passed by the Rada since 22 February has been properly enacted.


and now lets remind everyone of democratic voting procedures in Ukrainian Parliament




posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:43 AM
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Good post of how the "democratic voting procedures" in Ukrainian Parliament works and also there's more then that video i have heard.

According to stumason Yanukovich was impeached by the elected Parliament yet stumason had forget on the armed thugs whom had stormed the Parliament and demanded the Ukrainian Parliament to remove him from office.






Here it is stumason.


"Ukrainian protestors are ready for storm of Partliament"

The Ukrainian armed thugs did storm the Parliament and had threaten the members inside of the Parliament should they haven't caved on there demands.




Ukrainian parliament votes to oust President Yanukovich After protesters had left the parliament and Right Sector had taken over with other left parties.

So for your claim that the Ukrainian parliament voted to oust President Yanukovich peacefully and democratic is rather not quite correct.

I am surprised how Americans still fail for the News Media propaganda agaisnt Russia or Syria on that matter.

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posted on Jul, 21 2014 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: cosmonova

It didn't... He fled after being impeached by the elected Parliament (as per the Constitution) for Constitutional violations. He wasn't forced out by the protesters in the slightest.





He wasn't forced out by the protesters in the slightest

Videos say otherwise that he was forced out by the armed protesters whom had stormed in the Parliament for a brief and then radical, including right sector took over the Parliament.

With Thus those Jews in Kiev had being issued death threats and were feeling unsafe.



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