MH17 crash: Ukraine releases alleged intercepts
Ukrainian authorities have released what they say are intercepted phone conversations between pro-Russian separatists and what appear to be Russian
military officers saying that separatists shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.
The Ukrainian Security Service put the Russian-language conversations on YouTube within hours of the crash.
The veracity of the recordings cannot be confirmed
The Ukrainian government video confirms to everyone on this forum (and indeed anyone worldwide)
just one thing: Eastern Ukraine’s self-determination fighters did not deliberately bring this plane down.
Why does the Ukrainian
government’s u-tube video, literally confirm nothing less than this? Because…
(If you've listened to the Youtube, provided within BBC link above) it is very clear Ukraine’s self-determination fighters were immediately filled
with natural denial, followed by immense regret.
They did not sound like “the savages” (sometimes found in certain other countries) who rejoice in killing civilians, for pleasing their concept of
a God (and-or politics).
Given this evidence comes from “security services” presently in civil war with almost all Ukrainian regions (where either a majority of people
speak Russian, and-or are of a Russian ethnicity) anything good they do say about these people (particularly as evidence to the world on MH-17’s
fate) simply cannot be (by itself) far away from absolute credibility.
Yet: Their Evidence is Also Incredibly Odd…
(Using the UK governments, BBC link, as reference)
Their video starts at (its own On-Screen 4.40 minute, mark) for the first 17 seconds.
Then it goes backwards in time
7 minutes to 4.33, running for ten seconds
Then 38 minutes forwards in time to 5.11 (i.e. 31 minutes after the Ukrainian video started showing you stuff).
In “cut 4” we begin 21 minutes later (at 5.32) till the BBC video’s 1.23 minute mark (i.e. for a duration of 40 seconds)
We now travel 10 minutes further forward in time till 5.42 for 34 seconds i.e. till the videos 1.57 minutes mark end video.
If I Didn’t Know Any Better…
What we are seeing is real Eastern Ukraine resistance fighters, talking out of context about the MH-17 plane crash. Why they are talking out of
context I will leave to your own brain... But I demand you consider this: A BBC video lasting 117 seconds, with no less than 5 cut marks (including
the use of “backwards in time travel”) doesn't constitute evidence of (almost) any description!
It does however maybe constitute propaganda (and the use of that word “maybe” is most generous towards Ukraine’s government).
Note: How that BBC transcript (on link given) skilfully reduces the number of cuts to just 3, and also avoids any mention of the “backwards in time
travel” information presentation (or indeed any times whatsoever!). We British aren’t always the best, but when it comes to propaganda... It can
be safely said our BBC kicks ass over Ukraine State Security!
It Should Also Be Noted…
If anyone was to record a long conversation between e.g. a group of Americans as they first learnt about dead bodies falling all over their
State, and if they were to then use (at will from long conversations
) any 5 segments of their words, and then put this together (using both
forwards and backwards tape “time travel” relative to their order, of actual comments
of disbelief, followed by horror) then most people could probably make it sound like (at least for 117 seconds) that those sincerely appalled
accidentally committed the very tragedy they were discussing & condemning. Frankly: With enough editing, almost anything is possible.
Consequently (if Kiev's evidence was so stunning) you’d expect to be able to find a longer, unedited you-tube. Instead you can't. Here's the longest
broadcast I could find. It is precisely the same in original content, although 2.16 minutes long (as it’s edited by the broadcaster for their own
explanation text) www.youtube.com...
Of course: It’s normal for media organisation to edit evidence for public broadcast, but only after the full unbroken amount has at least been put
somewhere. But this evidence wasn’t edited by normal media organisations, but instead by Ukrainian State Security!
2. Ukraine’s Atrocious Short-Lived Government Already Has History Whenever it Comes to “False Flag Operations”…
Wed 5th March 2014: Ukraine crisis: bugged call reveals conspiracy theory about Kiev snipers
Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet tells EU's Cathy Ashton about claim that provocateurs were behind Maidan killings
A leaked phone call between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign minister Urmas Paet has revealed that the two discussed
a conspiracy theory that blamed the killing of civilian protesters in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, on the opposition rather than the ousted
The 11-minute conversation was posted on YouTube – it is the second time in a month that telephone calls between western diplomats discussing
Ukraine have been bugged.
In the call, Paet said he had been told snipers responsible for killing police and civilians in Kiev last month were protest movement provocateurs
rather than supporters of then-president Viktor Yanukovych. Ashton responds: "I didn't know … Gosh."
The leak came a day after the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, said the snipers may have been opposition provocateurs.
(At the time these sniper killings actually
happened in February 2014, the present Ukrainian government was still the Ukrainian “opposition”).
20th February 2014: Hopes that a fresh
truce could end the confrontation in Kiev were dashed on Thursday when at least 21 protesters were killed in the space of a few hours.
"These are all live rounds. You can see what they do. He and all the others were shot in the head, the neck or the heart. None were shot anywhere
else like in the legs."
Only later did the EU (much later still… the rest of the free world) discover was (still unmasked) supports of the present Ukrainian
government, that not only conducted the sniper killings, but also used conducted them using the same bullets against both sides, i.e. (to
self-evidently evidently) deliberately kill at least a few of their own revolutions, civilian supporters –i.e. “small people”.
Nevertheless: The world should be very grateful to the Ukrainian administration for taking only a few hours after MH-17 to release this
intercepted communication, then severely edit it, then release it for broadcast. Impressively sloppy work, even for evil guys! (Just like using the
same bullets earlier was also incredibly stupid).
Russia believes MH17 may have double as an assassination attempt against Putin (this is a side note –and not to be this threads whole
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