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originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: CB328
Exactly, it's probably largely the parents' fault, but why be real when you can just blame it on the government as an excuse to not pay taxes?
And then call yourself moral.
Ah, but the government enables it. If you can make more money by having more kids and not being married ... how eager are you to do the hard work of cleaning your self up? That's hard work when it's much easier to have that extra kid and continue to neglect them.
And so long as politicians can continue to buy votes by promising more and making people "need" government there is no will to change that system anytime soon.
And how is it moral to pay taxes to a system that is proven to be shoddy at what it's supposed to do?
originally posted by: CB328
Self sufficiency is largely a myth. Humans are social creatures that live in groups (societies). We need to work together and help each other, just like other social animals do.
As for coercion, you can't have a government without any power, which means that some people will have to do things or not do things they don't like. You can call it coercion, but it's just reality.
originally posted by: NthOther
originally posted by: CB328
Self sufficiency is largely a myth. Humans are social creatures that live in groups (societies). We need to work together and help each other, just like other social animals do.
Libertarians do not dispute this; however, just because we're social "animals" (a revealing position) does not mean a political state is necessary for order and prosperity.
Lions do not have political parties and do just fine.
As for coercion, you can't have a government without any power, which means that some people will have to do things or not do things they don't like. You can call it coercion, but it's just reality.
The equation of natural reality with state coercion is disturbing. Are you saying force is necessary for social cohesion?
I wonder where I've heard that before...
originally posted by: theantediluvian
Poor people existed before welfare. If we want to have less poor people, we need good jobs. Doing away with the social safety net won't create jobs.
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: pavil
Have to reconstitute industry then.
You take 16% of people's money, then give that same amount back 50 years later at 0% interest. That isn't helping anyone
It's strange that no one addressed my core issue, which was that the new masses of young libertarians have a flawed worldview due to being insulated from many of the hardships of life.