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Veterans “Welcome” Obama to Delaware With Their Backs to Him

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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: mmali

He has just over 2000 post, he has almost 5k stars, big difference. And all within 3 years, hardly a great deal of posting.
If you are going to attack some one personally try and get your what you are saying correct.




posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: mmali

Don't be jealous, i can train you how to detail cars, get you some money coming in. Good money, lots of sunshine, nice cars, happy customers. Pride of a job well done.



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 02:28 PM
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Haunty has a very specific view on issues.

Almost all the time I vehemently disagree with him.

We have had knock down drag outs on many threads.

But, the guy keeps me honest. He argues the other side very well.

We certainly have many battles ahead. Wouldn't it be boring if we all agreed?

He seems to take pride in his work. I respect that.

So let's not make this personal. It is not.

He has the "Right"....To be dead wrong.
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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Ok, fine. How do you establish your citizenship without an ID?

How do you establish you have the right to vote and are not a felon, without an ID?

Just because something is a constitutional right does not mean you are due that right without ID.

Your assertion that the above items are not constitutional rights is correct, but again, where does it say if it is a constitutional right you do not have to provide an ID?

You have a constitutional right to possess and CARRY a gun. In order to exercise the rights you HAVE TO HAVE AN ID.




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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:34 PM
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Also, isn't it a law you must carry ID ?

Showing your ID to vote (unless you are cheating) seems like the least we can do.

Give me a single reason you should be allowed to vote without identifying yourself.

Please do not say the Constitution...by that Standard Women wouldn't be voting.



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: whyamIhere

I was threatened with jail after refusing to produce my ID as a back seat passenger.

Good point though. This country only seems worried with persecuting actual law abiding legal citizens.

Next time I'll just say...."No englace! No englace!"



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 05:49 PM
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Well, apparently, as we all have learned, everyone is required to keep their long form birth certificate on them at all times.

Along with apparently several lawyers, the county registrar on speed dial.

Lol

But seriously, isn't the voter registration card enough?



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

CASH isn't the "badge of honor" YOU think it is sociopath. Man I would HATE to be under a clown who is as MISANTHROPIC as that.
MANAGERS of CIVILIAN training are not LEADERS they are BUSINESS men who work for money like YOU,service to self HOWEVER high end. It's like the term SPORTS HERO,just another form of entertainment DAMNED few worth respecting LATELY) Each one tires all their LIVES to do one function well. How valuable is THAT to our society?
MARGINAL at best, Military? Well ,without it assholes would kill you instead of US. BECAUSE ,we elect lawyers into office WHO DO resemble EXACTLY what you said of us vets. AND THEY want the cash too.



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: TiedDestructor

I am sure that different states have different laws, but in Texas you do not need to produce ID unless you are the one driving. If you are walking down the road, police can ask, and they sometimes get upset if you refuse, but it is the law.

If you are not breaking the law, you have little to fear except from the occasional asswipe cop. They are like anyone else...there are good ones and bad ones. Use common sense when dealing with them instead of being an asswipe yourself and your life will be much easier. To mouth off when dealing with a cop (who sees the worst humanity has to offer on practically a daily basis) is not logical and not smart.



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 07:56 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Um no...your cynicism is really trendy but ignorant. Does not prove you are intelligent, anyone can be sarcastic. It takes very little intelligence to be sarcastic, it just presents yourself as a douchebag. If you have a real point to make, then make it as best as you can. It's like a teenager who has just discovered sarcasm... They feel really intellectual, but they remain ignorant teens.

All you need is a driver's license or a state issued photo ID. Unless your voter ID card has a picture on it, it is still subject to being abused and fraud will ensue. People murder, people steal and people cheat....it's a given that if voter fraud is easy, it will happen and to deny that is just willful ignorance.

Those who claim to not have a photo ID either just lost it, are lying, or are just too effin lazy to get one. If it is the latter, then I have no sympathy for them.

You have to have a photo ID to live in a HUD project... You cant be much poorer than that. $25/month for an apartment all utilities paid.



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posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 08:33 PM
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Yeah, I'm still gonna go with the gun rights peoples argument that it infringes on a person's rights and therefore even though it happens rarely, it's one of those things that we will have to live with in a free society.

It's a poll tax plain and simple. It infringes on a person's right to vote, so sorry. Gun guys won't bend on anything, voters shouldn't either.

It's a poll tax, doing this will bring about tyranny and fascism.



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 09:49 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
I've just about had it with vets.

Bunch of socialist moochers the lot of em.

Free health care, free money, free housing, free free free.

Sick of pandering to these losers, you did a job, you were paid for that job, you knew the risks going in. We don't owe them a thing.

And don't talk to me about them protecting our freedom, the last war that was true was WWII those vets deserve respect.

Rest of em are just moochers and socialists.


I'm a vet and I haven't had any of hose things. You are misinformed. The only ones with possible free health care are retired veterans or disabled vets. As for free housing ???? I have no idea what you are talking about, the family next to me is retired military and he is still paying his mortgage and they have lived there over 20 years.

I went to Saudi in 1990, I was involuntarily extended, so I was not in voluntarily. If I had not followed my husband to Korea I would have been out and would not have gone.



posted on Jul, 24 2014 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: Merlynn

originally posted by: HauntWok
I've just about had it with vets.

Bunch of socialist moochers the lot of em.

Free health care, free money, free housing, free free free.

Sick of pandering to these losers, you did a job, you were paid for that job, you knew the risks going in. We don't owe them a thing.

And don't talk to me about them protecting our freedom, the last war that was true was WWII those vets deserve respect.

Rest of em are just moochers and socialists.


I'm a vet and I haven't had any of hose things. You are misinformed. The only ones with possible free health care are retired veterans or disabled vets. As for free housing ???? I have no idea what you are talking about, the family next to me is retired military and he is still paying his mortgage and they have lived there over 20 years.

I went to Saudi in 1990, I was involuntarily extended, so I was not in voluntarily. If I had not followed my husband to Korea I would have been out and would not have gone.

You know I have never actually used mine except for the collage thing where they matched I think for every dollar I put in they put two,but all the other goodies I never bothered with,hmmmm wonder if it's too late..

Naaaw I don't need it got along just fine without it,but for those injured in the line of duty go get what's yours,the military industries certainly does and they don't bleed.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 07:41 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Sorry, bud, but you have to have an ID to legally buy a gun. There is no way around it. You also have to have an ID to get a CC license.

It's called legal precedence. Having a constitutional right does not mean you do not have to identify yourself (your citizenship, for instance) in order to be able to exercise the right. There is a SCOTUS decision related to that.

The argument of the poll tax is a construct. A poll tax is a tax charged on a person to access the poll in order to vote. The purpose of a photo ID is for identification for a wide variety of needs. The constitutional right to vote is only extended to citizens of the US. Proving you are a citizen to exercise the right to vote is not unconstitutional.

It's plain to see that people advocating not needing an id to vote are advocating voter fraud. There is no other sane, logical or common sense reason to not require a person to present ID to vote. There is no other reason to exempt the need for ID.



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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 08:04 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok


It's a poll tax plain and simple. It infringes on a person's right to vote, so sorry. Gun guys won't bend on anything, voters shouldn't either.


regulation.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: bbracken677

Sorry, no matter what regulation comes down the pike for guns, the gun lobby fights against it.

So the same rationale can be used here, the people advocating against gun regulations are advocating for more gun violence.

There are far more shootings in this country than there are cases of voter fraud.

The gun lobby won't bend for a real problem, why should citizens bend for a blown out of proportion problem?

Voter id laws are intentionally made to disenfranchise the poor who may not be able to afford an id.

Ask yourself, when will it end? Today ID, tomorrow, birth certificate, blood test, proof of income, proof of being in the right political party.

Then i guess only landowners will be able to vote. Slippery slope, just like the gun rights advocates use.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 08:24 AM
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1) you are assuming that is rational.

2) You ask why citizens should bend... "Citizens" are for Voter ID.

3) Based on a recent SCOTUS decision, the individual states now have the right to implement voter id laws.

4) Ridiculous slippery slope argument. What would be the purpose of blood test, proof of income etc? There is an Amendment that nullifies the original requirement of being a landowner...you do know that, right? Facile and disingenuous argument. You are grasping at straws now since you seem to be running out of logical arguments.


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posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 09:36 AM
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1) you are assuming that is rational.


Using the same rationale that the pro gun crowd uses for ANY new type of gun regulation.


) You ask why citizens should bend... "Citizens" are for Voter ID.


"Citizens United" perhaps, yea, I would believe that. I'm still waiting for the corporate vote right amendment to come down the pike.


3) Based on a recent SCOTUS decision, the individual states now have the right to implement voter id laws.


Using the gun crowd's logic: Activist judges legislating from the bench.


4) Ridiculous slippery slope argument. What would be the purpose of blood test, proof of income etc? There is an Amendment that nullifies the original requirement of being a landowner...you do know that, right? Facile and disingenuous argument. You are grasping at straws now since you seem to be running out of logical arguments.


I'm using the exact same tactics pro gun people use when fighting against common sense gun regulations.

The only reason to implement voter ID laws is to make sure that the poor are disenfranchised to vote. And who would be checking these ID's at the polls? Former Birthers? "Oh, you're a registered democrat? Well, um, looks here like your ID has been Photoshopped, it's slightly smudged here on your photo, It's an obvious fake, no vote for you!"

Then what's next? Voter registration fees? Penalties for early voting? Gerrymandering districts in order to ensure that people with no transportation can't get to their newly designated polling places?

Slippery slope to tyranny!



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 09:52 AM
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Using bad rationale is still bad rationale. lol Just cause my neighbor beat his wife is not a good or logical reason why I should beat mine. LOL Failed logic.

Not "Citizens United" but polls taken by various polling agencies. Do you want links?

Whether they are "Activist Judges Legislating from the Bench" or not, the decision was made and is law. Your remark does not alter the truth one bit.

Again with the pro gun people.... running out of arguments?

How is it, again that Voter ID's disenfranchise, specifically? I filled in at a HUD apartment complex for 3 months. No poor (the employment rate there was in the single digits) people there did not have a photo ID. Exceptions were the underaged, who did have social security cards. One other exception: If it was to their disadvantage to have an ID they would suddenly not have one... I actually witnessed that happen. Had an applicant who claimed initially to not have an ID...then when told they could not get the benefits they were seeking without a Photo ID they managed to produce one, right there on the spot. It's like the "no habla ingles" phrase. Comes easily to the lips, but often is a lie.

The reality is that poor people can provide ID if it benefits them, so the argument that having to present and ID to vote disenfranchises is disingenuous at the best and lies at the worst.

Obviously you have no clue how polling stations are run to suggest the above. Ridiculous fantasy.. now you are making crap up to support your argument. You know what that says about your argument.

And then, of course, the slippery slope argument. That one always comes up when one side is out of ideas.

Just in case you are assuming I am a Republican, banish the thought. I am not, nor am I a Democrat.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok


The only reason to implement voter ID laws is to make sure that the poor are disenfranchised to vote. And who would be checking these ID's at the polls? Former Birthers? "Oh, you're a registered democrat? Well, um, looks here like your ID has been Photoshopped, it's slightly smudged here on your photo, It's an obvious fake, no vote for you!"

Then what's next? Voter registration fees? Penalties for early voting? Gerrymandering districts in order to ensure that people with no transportation can't get to their newly designated polling places?

Slippery slope to tyranny!


You have got to be kidding me.

So, your stance is that of ONLY Dems will be profiled and denied voting.

Here is you main issue, aside from the Progressive stance you have taken. You believe Dems and all that back Dems are the poor victims of everything, all perpetrated by the evil Conservative.

Funny as the people pushing the crap to continues to clamp down on the American Citizen is the Progressives.



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