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originally posted by: scubagravy
a reply to: webstra
27 aussies on board too
originally posted by: JanAmosComenius
a reply to: dragonridr
Are you able to understand original? BTW this video was discredited many pages ago.
originally posted by: Speckle
Taking Russia's infamous anti-gay stance into consideration, it appears MH17 had many Aids activists aboard, en route to a conference in Australia. If this is in any way a factor as to why this plane was shot down, wow.
originally posted by: DK0188
After reading some posts in regards to the identification number of the supposed 9M-MRC photo posted Cor Pan's Facebook page, I started to do some of my own research. There was a specific post on ATS that listed three possible identification numbers in that picture (the picture posted was inconclusive to me, as it was blurry and I couldn't fully read the letters):
Realizing I could not clearly see the number on the landing gear hatch, I decided to take a look myself at his Facebook page in hopes that the picture of the plane was still there, as well as his page being a public page. In fact, it is. And the picture of the plane he posted was still there. In the Facebook picture taken by Cor Pan of the airplane, you can clearly see a RC. It is undeniable that it is anything else. This started to make me wonder, as it was reported he was on the ill-fated plane that was shot down near Donetsk, Ukraine on Thursday. There have been pictures released at the crash site that show a panel of the plane which happens to have the plane's identification number on it. The picture was released by USA Today and shows a panel that has obviously been torn apart with these letters: -MRD.
If in fact the Malaysian Airlines plane 9M-MRD was the supposed plane on Flight MH17, then what plane did Cor Pan take a picture of before boarding 9M-MRD?
I then made some attempts to match everything up. I saved Cor Pan's Facebook picture of the plane with the RC markings on the landing gear hatch (9M-MRC), and did a reverse image search on tineye.com. It confirms that he didn't pull the picture from a search engine and post it to his Facebook page minutes before he boarded the flight.
This brings me to my next point; if 9M-MRD was the plane that crashed in eastern Ukraine, where was 9M-MRC located at the time of the crash. At first I thought maybe Cor Pan may have taken a picture of another Malaysian Airlines plane that was at the same Amsterdam airport, and assumed this plane (9M-MRC) was the one he intended to fly on to Kuala Lumpur. So I researched where 9M-MRC was located at roughly the same time as flight MH17 (9M-MRD) was supposed to take off. What I found was astonishing. 9M-MRC, according to flightaware.com, had departed from Auckland (AKL) at 12:26am NZST on July 16th and arrived at Kuala Lumpur (KUL) at 7:50am MYT, also July 16th. The next flight of 9M-MRC occured on July 18th, which was a flight departing from Kuala Lumpur (KUL) at 10:29am MYT and arriving at Zia International (DAC) at 11:41am BDT. The plane marked as 9M-MRC was no where remotely close to the Schiphol Amsterdam Airport on July 17th, the day that Cor Pan supposedly boarded MH17 on 9M-MRD to fly to Kuala Lumpur.
After realizing that 9M-MRC wasn't anywhere near Schirphol Amsterdam Airport on July 17th, according to flightaware.com, I tried to find a logical explanation.
9M-MRO was the plane associated with the disappearence of MH370 back in March. So right off the bat you can throw 9M-MRC being mistaken for 9M-MRO in Cor Pan's Facebook picture of the plane. There are currently 12 Boeing 777-200 planes in the Malaysia Airlines fleet. They are numbered chronologically according to first built and issued, with 9M-MRA being the 1st commissioned plane, and 9M-MRB being the 2nd commissioned plane, and so on. So you can rule out 9M-MRQ as a possible explanation for the C in the RC on the Facebook picture since there were only 13 planes total, 9M-MRO being lost.
I am asking the question, why was 9M-MRC at the Schirphol Amsterdam airport the morning off July 17th, when it was last flown from Auckland (AKL) to Kuala Lumpur (KUL) the morning of July 16th, and according to flightaware.com, the plane marked 9M-MRC then flew from Kuala Lumpur (KUL) to Zia International (DAC) on July 18th? I can only assume that 9M-MRC was grounded at Kuala Lumpur from the morning of July 16th until it departed for Zia International (DAC) on the morning of July 18th, for refueling, possible routine maintenance, etc.
Is there something larger in the grand scheme of things that is happening here? Are we not being told the correct information? It is hard to grasp as to the truth behind this, but it is an interesting question.
I also thought about Cor Pan taking a picture of a Malaysia Airlines plane from the internet and using that image as his last Facebook post. But what are the odds that he would go through so much trouble to find a picture on the internet of a Malaysia Airlines plane, just before he were to board a plane headed to Kuala Lumpur, and sit on a plane for more than 11 hours? It doesn't make sense. You don't go through that much trouble to make an attempt at black humor when you are at an airport about to board a flight.
All of these facts don't add up; the notion that Malaysia Airlines 9M-MRC is seen at the same airport as evident by Cor Pan's photo, and flightaware.com has is most likely grounded in Kuala Lumpur roughly half a world away. Why was 9M-MRC at Schirphol Amsterdam and what really happened to MH17 that is seen in pictures taken from Donetsk, Ukraine? Just some food for thought. RIP MH17 and condolences to the family members involved.
originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: Vovin
I don't have to, I'm not the one making the claim. Seems to me like you've been caught out making something up, Vovin.. Not like you at all....
As far as I can tell, going back over all of July's previous flights for MH17, this is a perfectly normal route for it to be flying. Of course, you're going to simply ignore me, the evidence I posted for this and carry on making these silly claims in an attempt to help Mother Russia save face, but hey...
originally posted by: [post=18163350]rustyclutch
ETA...I've never used twitter once in my life. Never tweeted a word. What makes you think this guy in the middle of a war zone is giving everyone updates?
This post was updated at 5:00 p.m. ET.
President Obama says it is likely that a missile fired from rebel-held territory in eastern Ukraine brought down Malaysia Airlines MH17 and that at least one U.S. citizen is among the dead.
"Evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by a surface-to-air missile from an area controlled by Russian-backed separatists inside of Ukraine," Obama said, noting that it's not the only time in recent months that the pro-Russia rebels had taken down airplanes.
He called the deaths of the 298 people aboard the plane "an outrage of unspeakable proportions."
The president identified the American killed on the flight as , who he said held dual citizenship. Schansman's other citizenship was Dutch, .
Obama referred to the arming of the rebels and the "steady flow of weapons from Russia" and said if Russian President Vladimir Putin makes a decision not to arm the separatists, then the flow will stop.
"There has to be a credible investigation," he said. "There must be an immediate cease-fire. Evidence must not be tampered with."
He promised U.S. assistance in the investigation.
All sides in the conflict in Ukraine — Kiev, the separatists, and Moscow — have denied any involvement in the downing of MH17.
The president's remarks at a news briefing on Friday came as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, and Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby sought to flesh out the evidence.
Power, in a presentation to the U.N. Security Council, said that pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine had been spotted by a Western journalist manning an SA-11 surface-to-air missile system at a location near where MH17 went down just hours before the plane crashed.
"We assess Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 ... was likely downed by a surface-to-air [SAM] missile, an SA-11, operated from a separatist-held location in eastern Ukraine," she said.
Power said that because of the flight's high altitude, shorter-range missile systems had been ruled out. She noted that one of the missile systems had been reported to be in the area of the crash Thursday, before the plane went down.
Separatists had posted videos and boasts online about downing a Ukrainian plane Thursday, Power said, adding that some of those materials have since been deleted.
"Because of the technical complexity of the SA-11, it is unlikely that the separatists could effectively operate the system without assistance from knowledgeable personnel. Thus we cannot rule out technical assistance from Russian personnel in operating the systems," she added.
The U.S. isn't aware of any Ukrainian SA-11 systems in the area where the crash occurred, Power said. She added that the Ukrainian military hadn't fired any anti-aircraft missiles since the fighting began, despite incursions by Russian planes.
We'll update this post as news comes in. Here's a quick update on what we know about the situation:
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 had been flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lampur carrying 298 people — 283 passengers and 15 crew. (Early reports of 295 people onboard were updated with the news that three infants were among the passengers.)
The breakdown of nationalities: 192 Dutch; 44 Malaysians; 28 Australians; 12 Indonesians; 10 Britons; 4 Germans; 4 Belgians; 3 Vietnamese; 3 Filipinos; 1 American (dual U.S.-Dutch citizen); 1 Canadian; 1 New Zealander; 1 Hong Kong Chinese.
The flight plan filed by the plane's pilots had requested an altitude of 35,000 feet during their passage over Ukraine, but air traffic control in Ukraine instructed them to fly at 33,000 feet, .
The Boeing 777 went down in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine, which for months has been a focal point of fighting between pro-Russian separatists and Ukraine's central government.
U.S. officials tell NPR the airliner was likely shot down by a surface-to-air missile and that they're working to determine who fired it.
Kiev officials accuse the separatists of firing a missile at the jet. The separatists, Ukraine's military and Russia have all denied any involvement.
The separatists have promised to aid the investigation, reportedly planning a three-day truce to allow investigators to reach the wreckage.
More than half of the flight's passengers were from the Netherlands. The U.S. is trying to determine whether any Americans were onboard.
The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has barred all U.S. flights from using the airspace over eastern Ukraine. The agency notes that no U.S. airlines have been flying routes there.
Investigators from the FBI and NTSB will reportedly help analyze the crash — President Obama offered that assistance to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in a phone call on Thursday.
The plane's passengers included roughly 100 people who had been traveling to a major global AIDS conference in Melbourne, Australia. The activists and researchers included former International AIDS Society President Joep Lange.
originally posted by: bigfoot007
Easy way to identify which plane this was:
Some one knows this serial number is related to which plane, anyone from Boeing care to comment