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Malaysian 777 Passenger Airline Shot Down Over Eastern Ukraine

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posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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Currently, I am leaning strongly in the opinion that the Rebels shot down MH17. Why?

- Because they have already shot down Ukraine aircraft in the area.
- They are rebels, and as such are not as disciplined a force.
- They have gained weapons through capture and have also been supplied weapons from Russia. This has been documented.
- The rebels have no air capability to speak of, especially in regards to the size of a Boing 777. So it make absolutely no sense for the Ukrainians to down a aircraft that was close to leaving their airspace anyways.
- The captured messages between the rebels, indicate that some one screwed up.

Any one with a ounce of common sense would realize that if this was to played out as a false flag op (PSYOP) would realize how bad it could backfire.

I think that this is nothing more than a case of a trigger happy rebel with tragic consequences.




posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: Rocker2013

Would you believe me if i told you that i knew you would bring LGBT into this? You guys are all so predictable. Why do you care how they treat them? Is that any of your problems or your country? No, so I do not understand why are you concern about it.

And as for your accusations goes, you just describe an ordinary criminal actions, that I can guarantee you happens everywhere else in the world. So I don't know why did you bring that up at all, because it's absolutely ridiculous. You are desperate in trying to make Russia looks worst than it actually is, but, hey, that's what happens when media poisons your brain for over 60 years. One question for you, have you ever actually been to Russia so you can judge? Or you are just saying some random stuff?

Do you seriously believe that there will be conducted a serious independent research about what actually happened with this plane? No matter which side takes the black boxes? I do not believe in that, but I'd rather have Russia examine it, than US/NATO because I don't believe not a single word they say. Can you blame me?



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014
Yes give the black boxes to the people who shot it down.
Makes sense.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:16 AM
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conspiracy topic: Trident - Malaysian Airline Logo - Ukraine
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posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:20 AM
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Jesus H Christ. Why not start another thread about these stupid numbers and symbols.
Let's leave this thread for actual news not numerology.

Pathetic.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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How ironic would it be if some idiot private in the rebel force, due to his actions, brought down one of the most powerful men in the world, Putin. Because it does look like the Russians are doing everything they can to cover this up.

I would bet that the crew who fired the missile are already dead.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: thesaneone

For now, that's just an assumption. I feel like people made up their mind the second when they realized there's a possibility that it's Russia's fault without gathering some more evidences. Whoever did this must face charges, but the question is, will it? I do not believe they will.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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Rusian Ambassasdor blames Ukraine for flying over warzone ...Wow Russia is a joke.


(post by RifRAAF removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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Russia is a joke fellas.Trying to make excuses now for giving terrorist advanced technology.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: Nikola014

Do you seriously believe that there will be conducted a serious independent research about what actually happened with this plane? No matter which side takes the black boxes? I do not believe in that, but I'd rather have Russia examine it, than US/NATO because I don't believe not a single word they say. Can you blame me?



So you are saying that you are opposed to all the passengers governments forming a coalition investigative group, which is being attempted? That you would believe only the Russian version? Do I have that correct?



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: TDawgRex

Well, what I was trying to say is, no matter which side takes the black boxes, what are the possibilities that we will get the real truth? From was it shot down and who did to why did it change it's standard flight path, and all other questions alongside.


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posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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I was searching around on the news site. It appears western media is leaning and blaming Russians. That in itself makes me want to be skeptical. We all know when the Main stream media is leaning one way, we should look another way. Just saying..



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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1. We are pushed aside in Syria by Putin.
2. Putin supplies Iran with tech and scientists.
3. Iran is 'helping' Iraq as a covert way to take control
4. Russia invaded the Ukraine and is aiding the 'separatist' rebels.
4. Gaza is exploding again.
5. A plane filled with almost 300 civilians is SHOT out of the sky.

Where is the response? Russia is pushing us over and over and over and over and the US is doing nothing. If I was ANY European country right now I would be quite scared as it may very well be a cold cold winter for them. I do not want war by any means but on a global stage you cannot allow these things to happen or the balance will tip and no one will think twice to push you. China is building offshore bases and NK still has that satellite that was not going to last a week passing over us.

How can the world stand by and simply allow all of these folks to say "Not me" like a family Circus cartoon????

PS - when it comes to aiding 'terrorists'...why do you think Benghazi is covered up. We did the same thing the Russians are doing but we got our own people killed, knew it was coming and did nothing from an administration standpoint. Time for some golf....

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posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Flight paths change all the time for no nefarious reason. Winds are a big one. If you watch the flight replay they were south of their planned route from takeoff until they were shot down.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: Rocker2013

Would you believe me if i told you that i knew you would bring LGBT into this? You guys are all so predictable. Why do you care how they treat them? Is that any of your problems or your country? No, so I do not understand why are you concern about it.

And as for your accusations goes, you just describe an ordinary criminal actions, that I can guarantee you happens everywhere else in the world. So I don't know why did you bring that up at all, because it's absolutely ridiculous. You are desperate in trying to make Russia looks worst than it actually is, but, hey, that's what happens when media poisons your brain for over 60 years. One question for you, have you ever actually been to Russia so you can judge? Or you are just saying some random stuff?

Do you seriously believe that there will be conducted a serious independent research about what actually happened with this plane? No matter which side takes the black boxes? I do not believe in that, but I'd rather have Russia examine it, than US/NATO because I don't believe not a single word they say. Can you blame me?



hmm... god i love the smell of Russian propapanda in the Morning... so if Russia only investigates the black boxes thats an independed investigation? yeah right... I would rather see European authorities do the investigation but if its true that the boxes are in Russian hands i think any credability of the information they consist is already compromised...
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posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: thesaneone

Done Sir.
Although this is a conspiracy site.
You can leave "pathetic" and "stupidity" in your home.
thanks



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: Nikola014

Would you be satisfied if either side, whoever is responsible, brought the crew forth and admitted they screwed up? Myself?, I think that would go a long way towards ratcheting down tensions.

Oh, there would still be repercussions and such, but at least we'd know.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I agree, but have they not know that they were flying over a war-zone? And If i understood it correctly, pro-Russians weren't supposed to have the technology to take down a plane flying over 30,000 feet, right? Unless of course Russia didn't supply them with the technology. But the Ukraine army had the technology to do it. And what's up with that Ukraine jets escorting this plane? So much questions.



posted on Jul, 18 2014 @ 10:36 AM
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Some highlight from the UN meeting:

United States:

- missile was likely fired from separatist held territory
- calls for an independent investigation with access to crash site
- more sanctions from US and EU
- the war must be ended


Lithuania:

- concerned about conflict affecting larger area
- cites recent aircraft shot down by separatists (cargo plane, Su-25)
- wants a full and thorough investigation
- wants Russia to stop supporting separatists


China:

- shocked and grieved by downing of MH17
- civil aviation must be guaranteed
- should not jump to conclusions
- wants independent investigation
- urges calm and restraint
- will take objective approach


Australia:

- plane went down in separatist held territory
- perpetrators must be brought to justice
- independent and safe access to crash site
- horrific loss of MH17
- end violence in Ukraine


France:

- condolences to nations who lost citizens
- wants independent and full access to crash site
- wants a ceasefire
- sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons and training involved
- behaving like bandits
- more sanctions from EU
- weapons crossing from Russia to Eastern Ukraine should stop


Russia:

- need for impartial and open investigation
- no need to jump to conclusions
- why did Ukrainian ATC send aircraft into war zone
- only now did it close the airspace
- indiscriminate rocket strikes launched by Ukrainians
- place all blame on Ukrainian government
- blames Western partners for failure to halt violence in Ukraine



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