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Putin is now challenging the US on their evidence. Russian radar have not picked up any missiel "BUK" fired from the ground towards MH17. And are asking the US to put forth their evidence.
originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: spy66
The Word now is that the explosive rods used in the BUK dont consit With the downed Mh17.
Who is the official source for that info. Who has even had the chance to test plane parts, maybe the Russians?
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: spy66
The claim that the explosive rods don't match is wrong. They were saying that a SAM uses a different type of warhead, but it uses explosive rods just like an air to air missile does.
Yes they have Flankers, but every claim of fighters in the area has been of the Frogfoot. Even the fake controller claimed Su-25s.
“But when the Su-25M1 was shot down by the Russia Air Force 6969th AB’s MiG-29 on Jul. 16, the situation and condition became more critical than previous days and more Su-27 sorties were conducted to confront Russian MiG-29s. I believe those two Su-27s were not in sky just for standard practice in that day [Jul. 17], I believe they were involved in HAVCAP (High Asset Value Combat Air Patrol) mission sortie in that day.”
In other words: since the Russian interceptors had downed a Su-25 on the previous days, the Ukrainian escorted all military and civil flights over eastern Ukraine on Jul. 17. Including MH17.
“During the UEFA 2012, the 831st TAB and its Flankers had same role, during those competitions they had duty to escort the airliners in FL330 and other routes in case emergency. They played same role during the Sochi Winter Olympics in Russia. They were airborne and they even escorted a hijacked airplane. They were also ready to provide security of all passenger airplanes over Ukraine. They are now following same procedure and they could protect all of the airplanes over Ukraine in-front of Russians since Jul 16.”
Provided the Su-27s were really escorting or (more likely) watching from their CAP station many, if not all, civil flights over Eastern Ukraine for the first time ever on Jul. 17, in the wake of the downing of the Su-25, the operators inside the Buk may have mistaken the Boeing 777 shadowed by/near two Flankers for a high-value plane of the Ukrainian Air Force. On their radar screens, the sight of a large plane with two accompanying (or circling in CAP not too far away) fighter jets was completely new and may only mean the Ukrainians were escorting an important plane. And that would be the reason why they downed it without spending too much time analysing its transponder code and altitude.