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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:10 PM
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It' been a while since i don't see a thread like this. I really liek cryptid dinosaurs, they are my favourite since ever.

Anyway native americans weren't wrong about the Okapi or the Mountain Gorillas, but their histories weren't actually true. According to them gorila rape women and ate men. But that was just a story.

My bet is that, if this creature ended up being real, it would be a small sized reptile.




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: Frocharocha
It' been a while since i don't see a thread like this. I really liek cryptid dinosaurs, they are my favourite since ever.

Anyway native americans weren't wrong about the Okapi or the Mountain Gorillas, but their histories weren't actually true. According to them gorila rape women and ate men. But that was just a story.

My bet is that, if this creature ended up being real, it would be a small sized reptile.


I believe you meant to say "Native Africans" as the Okapi and Mountain Gorillas are from Africa.

I agree though, that some of the legends are based on facts, but changed into a spooky story over time.

It is interesting to note that the mythical water spirit/serpent of the forbidden pit is similar to North American legends of an "underwater panther" or lynx that inhabits the watery underworld and is the enemy of the thunder bird air spirits.

I see your are in Brazil, I'm sure you have your share of monster stories from there. Perhaps you'll share some?
edit on 22-7-2014 by MichiganSwampBuck because: typo



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 07:13 PM
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Yep, that is Lake Chilengwa on the google map, I checked it against the coordinates I found on a geological website.

Here is a screen shot of a super closeup of the forbidden pit on Google maps.



files.abovetopsecret.com...

If King Lewanika's story is to be believed, then I imagine that the Lengolengole (hippo sized marsh monster) was in the swamps between Lake Chilengwa and Lake Ishiku. However, his kingdom was more in western Zambia, with the forbidden pit at the edge of his territory, so an exact area will unlikely be found for these marshes.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 07:40 PM
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Now I'm certain that the Lengolengole marsh monster was actually sighted in western Zambia near the Zambezi River, not near the forbidden pits.

I found this excellent book called "Mysterious Creatures: A Guide to Cryptozoology" at "books.google.com" by Googling "Lewanika Lengolengole zambia". It gives possible explanations for what the creature actually was (I like the rock python theory).

Here is some information that contradicts everything I've discovered so far and makes the king's story sound completely unrelated to the forbidden pit.


Isiququmadevu Dinosaur-like animal of central Afirca, similar to the Mokele-Mbembe. . . .
Variant names: Ig'ondotuya, Lengolengole, Lingongole.
Physical description: Length, 20 - 40 feet. Larger than an elephant. Head like a snake's. Long neck. Lizard like legs. Behavior: Amphibious.
Tracks: Makes wide furrows in the reeds and mud.
Habitat: Swamps, rivers.
Distribution: Zambezi River from the Barotse Floodplain to Victoria Falls, Zambia.
Significant sightings: Lewanika, king of the Barotsel in western Zambia in the early twentieth century, went to the spot where a huge, aquatic reptile had been seen. He found a large space where reeds had been flattened and a channel as large as a trek wagon where it had crawled through the mud.

In the southern summer of 1925, a river-transport manager named V. Pare saw a 30 to 40 foot, snake like animal with a slate gray head resting on a rock in the flooded Zambezi River near Victoria Falls, Zambia. It disappeared into a deep cave.


ETA: Notice how in this version of the king's story the area is different and it is a hear-say sighting of the actual monster, with the king only checking out the evidence left behind, ie. the "furrows" that seem much larger than in the first report I had.
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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 08:35 PM
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I'm bothered by a couple of things about the king's story in relation to the European speculation populating Northern Rhodesia with relic dinosaurs.

In the description given above, "20 - 40 feet. Larger than an elephant. Head like a snake's. Long neck. Lizard like legs", not only has "larger than a hippo" turn into "larger than an elephant", but this totally describes a sauropod like a brontosaurus. Not only that, but a wide furrow created by a large animal crawling with "lizard-like limbs" sounds just like the early dinosaur skeleton reconstructions that had the legs splayed out like a lizard or crocodile has. The problem they had with that was the rib cage would have to occupy a trench in the floor to have the leg bones placed like that.

It seems likely that the original story from the king was blown way out of proportion into the dinosaur image popular at that time.



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 09:47 AM
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The African Rock Python (Python sebae sebae ) is, in my opinion, a good candidate for the origin of the Ichitapa pit monster myth.

Some information on the African Rock Python from wikipedia.


Africa’s largest snake species[4][10] and one of the world's largest,[8] the typical African rock python adult measures 4.8 m (16 ft). Rumors of specimens over 6 m (20 ft) are considered reliable, although larger specimens have never been confirmed.[11] Weights are reportedly in the range of 44 to 55 kg (97 to 121 lb), with a few weighing 91 kg (201 lb) or more.


Here is a gruesome tale of the first recorded incident of a large man-eating python in Africa. There is another recent article (not included here) about two young boys in Canada that were killed by an escaped pet rock python that was around 20 foot long.

"Hunt for giant snake that ate 10-year-old Durban boy whole"


A 20ft-long African rock python is being hunted by the police and snake catchers after it swallowed a 10-year-old boy near Durban, the first recorded "man-eating" incident for its species. For three hours other children hid up mango trees near the township of Lamontville, too terrified to flee, as the snake first trapped the young boy and squeezed the life out of him before consuming him whole. The hunt found no trace of the child, or his clothing, except for a trail of flattened grass leading down to a nearby stream.


www.telegraph.co.uk...

Although the rock python lives in a variety of habitats, it prefers rocky areas near a water source, and so the forbidden pit sounds like the perfect area for it to live and grow to enormous size. Also, when the rivers and swamps flood, they are known to come out of hiding, contributing to the idea that this snake monster causes floods.

Imagine too, what a 30 plus foot rock python is capable of eating, if a 20 footer can swallow a 10 year old boy whole. I can see why the natives would fear the pit if they thought a monster python lived there.



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

I remember reading about this one, I think. A lot of people killed, I believe? Hole closed with explosives or something? If not, heck, there have to be two of them!

Always was an interesting read. Pinning down the location would be cool. At least a ballpark location could show if any other odd animal reports have come from that area.

Fascinating story, in any case, with so many that claimed to see it!



posted on Jul, 25 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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Alright, after a lot of reading, that is NOT the same story I read before. The one I read talked about a lot of people being killed by the thing, when it came out of the hole, or pit, or whatever, and I remember explosives being used. I can't for the life of me locate that story now, however! So, either it's another version of this one, or there is more than one tale of monsters from below out of Africa! if I can find the one I read before, will share the link. It's driving me a bit nuts now.



posted on Jul, 26 2014 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Thanks for bumping my thread Lady Green Eyes. I would be very interested in your story, it's sounds like they are connected.

At this point of my research, I think I have most of the facts straight now and have the right location.

I'm quite disappointed with the article by Mysterious Universe though for all the misinformation and hype. It did, however, open my eyes to the distortions and misinformation I've been finding in much of my research on any topic and it makes me more determined to dig down to the bottom and deny ignorance. For that I am grateful as well as for the imaginary African safari I went on when I looked into this.



posted on Jul, 26 2014 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Well, it was an interesting read! I can't for the life of me locate the other article. No idea where I read it. Probably bookmarked on the old HD, but that's no help. So many sites with stories, it's hard to locate sometimes. I am leaning towards thinking this was a crevasse of some sort, perhaps, instead of a "pit'. Not 100% sure, though. Still, they seem like they almost have to be related. The articles, though.......I don't remember seeing those before, which is odd, because I would swear there was an article copy attached to what I read way back whenever.

Gotta locate that one!

Hype is nothing new for such things. Some sites seem to thrive on it, and they end up making the whole subject frowned on as a result. Nothing new there, either, though, because some old publications would do the same thing, just for sales. *sigh* Still hunting when I have time. Will post if located. I just hope it wasn't on one of the sites I already looked at, and rewritten to be all hyped up pr something.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I found some good online resources during this one, I'll start digging based on your description. One of us will recover that story I feel certain.

Thanks for your interest and responses.



posted on Jul, 27 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

I hope so! I have always loved stories of "monsters", and it's making me nuts that I can't find this one. My older son recalls reading it as well. Have tried several crypto sites with no luck, and starting to think it was on some "general weirdness" sort of site instead. Even hunting for cryptids from Africa didn't help, though it can nake for interesting reading! Could have done without th giant spider reminders, of course.....*twitch*



posted on Jul, 28 2014 @ 05:51 AM
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I did some more digging for African monsters/dinosaurs and didn't find your story yet. I did find some more information on the Lengolengole swamp monster report by King Lewanika, and this one is different than the others. That indicates to me how much that story was distorted in the retelling.


chief Lewanika reported years ago to the British Resident in Zululand that a huge lizard, "ten times as big as a crocodile, which has made a trail in the reeds like that of a large trek-wagon from which the wheels had been removed " (he meant, made by something large dragged along, and the size of what to him was the familiar Boer veld wagon), and that he had given strict orders to his warriors to keep watch for the beast that he might see it for himself; but it was never seen again.

No less a personage than Lewanika, King of the Barotse, saw the beast in the marshes of his land, and set a special warrior watch to capture it. 'A monster,' says he in his official report to the British Government, 'with a head like a snake, making a huge track in the reeds as large as a full-sized wagon would make were its wheels removed.' He speaks of course, of the old Boer trek-wagon, a big, lumbering concern pulled by twenty or more oxen.


www.strangeark.com...
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