Police Dogs Can Now Sniff Out Child Porn

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posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: CraftBuilder
I've been designing electronic devices for decades. Flash drives don't have anything in them that every other modern circuit board in every other electronic devices doesn't have. I call complete BS. It would be like trying to sniff out a bottle cap in a bottle cap factory. "Sir, the dog sniffed out a bottle cap in that there plastic extruder. We better tear it apart and have a look."

Good luck finding anything in my technology saturated home.


I agree and if you read other articles about how the searches are conducted they provide a little more detail:

he noted that they could distinguish between a television and a hard drive, but not an iPad or computer and a hard drive. Because the dogs aren't able to tell the difference between one small electronic from another, they're deployed over small areas of space, and police officers handling them do not carry any electronics on their person. So someone instructing a electronic-sniffing dog needs to leave their iPhone in the police car.

Then there was Lucky and Flo, a pair of black Labradors sponsored by the MPAA as being the first animals trained to sniff out counterfeit DVDs. The MPAA told the BBC that the dogs “have been well trained to specifically smell the unique chemicals that go into polycarbonates and the solvents that glue the DVDs together and they are very, very effective at doing that." Something along those lines may be how dogs sniff out hard drives, but Lucky and Flo’s trainer admitted the dogs could “find, but cannot distinguish between, CDs and DVDs, burned and replicated disks, or legitimate and pirate disks.”

What these quote say to me, is that the dog is taught how to alert on nearly anything in a modern home, in order to establish a reason for further searches and warrants. But, I have a very strong feeling that this will not stand up in court over the long haul, especially with the recent rulings on encryption and warrantless searches.

www.eff.org...

So the LEO's employing these dogs think they are so smart, by assuming: "if we train the dogs to alert on ANYTHING we can justify a search or get a warrant". They are basically trying to broaden the legal limits of the previously successful cell phone sniffing dogs, except now the dog will "alert" on nearly any electronic device. Tax payers should be outraged, because normally these dogs would be trained for searches based on established case law, like narcotics or explosives, but in this case they are being trained for something that isn't likely to hold up in court. Also since most working dogs are not dual-certified these days, they won't be able to reassign the dogs to human remains detection, narcotics or explosives. But the cost to train them will certainly be the same, albeit for a less useful and legally dubious application. Also these dogs and handlers don't appear to have an ATF equivalent training certification methodology to work from, so these local departments are basically making it up as they go (in contrast human remains, firearms, explosives and narcotics have had this kind of national training standards for over 30 years).

Here is a link to that articles:

gizmodo.com...

www.networkworld.com...
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posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Very Nice...
I can only imagine the look on Rover's face on "backup day".


The dog is also equipped with a personal hotspot so I can just sync her in with a labtop.


For the sake of your dog's mental health I fixed that.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
The dog is also equipped with a personal hotspot so I can just sync her in with a labtop.
For the sake of your dog's mental health I fixed that.


Yes, because we are not an iPup family.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: boohoo

They do not have universal commands.

They can say the Dog hit on anything.

Then a Judge signs a warrant like the dog is infallible.

If it wasn't so sad it would be laughable.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: whyamIhere
a reply to: boohoo

They do not have universal commands.

They can say the Dog hit on anything.

Then a Judge signs a warrant like the dog is infallible.

If it wasn't so sad it would be laughable.



Thats not what I meant. Of course the judge will sign the warrant.

I did not say the dog responds to a "command", that's not how these contraband searches work, but keep in mind that LEO's have been know to "encourage" an "alert" from the dog, which doesn't always hold up in court. The problem for the LEO's with electronics sniffing dogs will be in the courtroom, where any attorney whom is experienced in unlawful searches will pick apart these dogs training methodology and past cases. To clarify further, explosive and narcotics sniffing dogs have a lot of case history on their side, as well as a proven national training standard for the dogs and handlers, this is not even remotely the case for fake DVD and hard drive "sniffing" dogs.

Make no mistake these "electronics sniffing dogs" are nothing more than warrant generators. LEO's pushing this kind of search should proceed with caution because some of these cases will definitely end up in the Supreme Court. Right now the standards for how dogs are trained and certified are very loose, but should someone legally challenge a warrant generated by "electronics sniffing dog" and successfully appeal, the supreme court may tighten up the standards for training and certification, causing a potential deluge of appeals of cases where dog searches were involved.
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posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: boohoo

I know these Dogs are great at what they do.

The weak link is the human...which is capable of almost anything.

Including lying about if the Dog even alerted in the first place.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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This sounds very scary and a violation of privacy rights. I carry numerous thumb drives and other storage because I'm an audio engineer/musician/artist/song writer - so remind me to stay the hell away from these states. I would be there for months while they looked through everything I have and I guarantee you my life that they will not find sickening child porn on any of them. Although they may find a couple hot Shania Twain pics


Thanks for posting this.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: whyamIhere

I need to search your car for drugs because the dog has indicated a hit.

Searches car.

Oh sorry I didn't find any drugs, this dog must've smelled your phone/tablet/stick drive as it was trained to sniff out those things. I may need you to unlock your phone though, and show me the pictures.



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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: AfterInfinity

What have YOU got to hide ....?



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 04:34 AM
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a reply to: whyamIhere

Can they sniff out child porn or is it they can sniff out any porn and it will automatically become child porn in court. Just another way of forcing people to stop watching porn then drive out porn alltogether?



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: whyamIhere

I need to search your car for drugs because the dog has indicated a hit.

Searches car.

Oh sorry I didn't find any drugs, this dog must've smelled your phone/tablet/stick drive as it was trained to sniff out those things. I may need you to unlock your phone though, and show me the pictures.


That was exactly my point. These "electronics sniffing dogs" are nothing more than warrant generators. Now the LEO's won't even need to subtly encourage the dog to "alert" as that have been, now the dog will simply be trained to "alert" on objects that everyone has on their person today, an electronic device. Only the courts can put a stop to this, I hope enough appeals happen soon, whereas the Supreme Court will need to address at least one of the cases. Anybody whom believes differently is a fool



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: boohoo

They are now just a Search warrant on four legs.

Judges should ask a lot more questions.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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I think they give the dog a doggy treat whenever it hits on something too , so along with the cops encouraging it to signal a hit, the dog has even more of a reason to signal a hit. Or maybe they give the dog a treat after every completed search whether it hits on anything or not. But the dog might still indicate a hit just to get its treat sooner, depending on how hungry it is... then if they don't find anything they will just say "well there must have been drugs/porn/explosives here at one time and the dog just picked up on residual odor...let's keep this guy under surveillance."



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 05:18 PM
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If you are renting a apartment how can the cops prove the hard drive was yours or one of a number of people that have rented the apartment over the years.

Its not like the cops care as long as they get a conviction.

Its also likely that someone with child porn now will hide the flash drive outside there home and encrypted.
Xlinksoft Truecript ect ect.

The cops in places i have lived have found drugs on cars and never been able to charge the car owner because the drug were on the outside of the car.
The DA would not touch the case because anyone could have planted the drugs.





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