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Israeli naval ship bombs Palestinian children on Gaza beach, killing four
A journalist who saw the incident said some of the children who survived were running away when another shell seemed to be aimed at them.
originally posted by: Vovin
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: khnum
You don't seem to understand that Israel is NEVER going to negotiate! Why would they negotiate with the people the stole the land of? They want them gone. They stole the land on a b.s. concept. What do you think Israel wants to do for Palestinians. They don't want to and never with negotiate because they don't have any positive feelings for them nor want to give them anything. They hate these people.
They shoot rockets because if they don't they will be forgotten in their prison and they will continue to have their water, and supplies withheld, and Israel will continue to steal their lands for Jewish settlements.
Netanyahu says there will never be a Palestinian state
"“I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: There cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan,” Netanyahu said, leading Horovitz to say: “That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state.” Just Bantustans, what we’ve observed again and again in recent years. "
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Vovin
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: khnum
You don't seem to understand that Israel is NEVER going to negotiate! Why would they negotiate with the people the stole the land of? They want them gone. They stole the land on a b.s. concept. What do you think Israel wants to do for Palestinians. They don't want to and never with negotiate because they don't have any positive feelings for them nor want to give them anything. They hate these people.
They shoot rockets because if they don't they will be forgotten in their prison and they will continue to have their water, and supplies withheld, and Israel will continue to steal their lands for Jewish settlements.
Netanyahu says there will never be a Palestinian state
"“I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: There cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan,” Netanyahu said, leading Horovitz to say: “That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state.” Just Bantustans, what we’ve observed again and again in recent years. "
Complete mischaracterization of what he said. Which is he supports a 2 state plan, but because Palestinians have shown they are so much in favor of violence that Israel simply can not pull out and cross their fingers hoping for the best.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
No, he has said plenty of times that they will not allow this. Their actions have shown they will only take more land.
They took more land and dropped bombs, unprovoked, on Palestinians simply for being allowed to be observing (only) members at the UN.
Defending Bibi really makes me wonder what your angle is.
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Vovin
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: khnum
You don't seem to understand that Israel is NEVER going to negotiate! Why would they negotiate with the people the stole the land of? They want them gone. They stole the land on a b.s. concept. What do you think Israel wants to do for Palestinians. They don't want to and never with negotiate because they don't have any positive feelings for them nor want to give them anything. They hate these people.
They shoot rockets because if they don't they will be forgotten in their prison and they will continue to have their water, and supplies withheld, and Israel will continue to steal their lands for Jewish settlements.
Netanyahu says there will never be a Palestinian state
"“I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: There cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan,” Netanyahu said, leading Horovitz to say: “That sentence, quite simply, spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state.” Just Bantustans, what we’ve observed again and again in recent years. "
Complete mischaracterization of what he said. Which is he supports a 2 state plan, but because Palestinians have shown they are so much in favor of violence that Israel simply can not pull out and cross their fingers hoping for the best.
What a riot, no no he really does want a 2 state plan, his mouth says no but his eyes, his eyes say yes. His words are there to read, how is it a mischaracterization?
"In my vision of peace," he said, "in this small land of ours, two peoples live freely, side-by-side, in amity and mutual respect, each with its own flag and national anthem."
originally posted by: mekhanics
a reply to: Corruption Exposed
Israeli Naval Ship Bombs Palestinian Children on Gaza Beach - Killing four
Heartless Bastards.
originally posted by: hellobruce
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
You seem to miss the point that Israel shouldn't be bombing at all.
So it is ok for Hamas terrorists to constantly attack Israel, but Israel is not allowed to defend itself!
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Hilux1996
The reason they take the potshots isn't because they are really trying to beat Israel. They don't have the weapons to do that and they know it. All they can do is shoot these off and keep the worlds attention so Israel doesn't sneakily encroach and take even more of their land.
If they didn't shoot these off and gain world attention, guess what would happen.
originally posted by: tsingtao
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Hilux1996
The reason they take the potshots isn't because they are really trying to beat Israel. They don't have the weapons to do that and they know it. All they can do is shoot these off and keep the worlds attention so Israel doesn't sneakily encroach and take even more of their land.
If they didn't shoot these off and gain world attention, guess what would happen.
peace?
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: intrepid
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: TinfoilTP
Oh I see. You think the Arab nations are just gonna take ALL of Palestinians in Gaza? They didn't back 1947 & they definitely ain't gonna it today. Show me a stable Arab nation capable of such feats? So with that said, do you call off your bulldozers and land mines?
Nope, Obama has shown them the way to be an immigration hero, that is what's different.
Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, LIbya, the list goes on, plenty of room for the tiny dot on the map that is Gaza to migrate to.
You know, I could almost get behind that. It IS only 1.6 million people. That said, what would the cry be like if someone wanted to throw the Israelis off of their land?
Gaza is not a self sustainable nation, it has nothing to export and must import everything.
Gaza is nothing more than a beach head left over from a failed attempt to annihilate Israel by the neighboring Arab States.
That's where you are wrong. Gaza is sitting on a pocket of natural gas so much gas that Israel has been trying to sell it out from under them.
Nobody will develop it with the mafia tactics of the militants in charge. All they do is skim off the top, add to their millions they accumulated already from keeping the population in poverty.
The UN could go in, pump it and use proceeds to immigrate the population out of Gaza. Give shares to every family that leaves so they benefit the rest of their lives in their new homes.
This would remove the umbrella the militants operate under, the population is nothing more than a human shield to attack Israel from, they will never see a penny for prosperity under the rulership they have there.
It would also be hard to develop it when Israel targets infrastructure like water plants and sewer treatment plants a natural gas plant would be too tempting a target.
You got it backwards, Hamas would hold it hostage threatening to blow it up if they didn't get all the proceeds from it. They would hand out stipends to loyal families and invest the rest elsewhere in the Arab world and armaments.
originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Hilux1996
The reason they take the potshots isn't because they are really trying to beat Israel. They don't have the weapons to do that and they know it. All they can do is shoot these off and keep the worlds attention so Israel doesn't sneakily encroach and take even more of their land.
If they didn't shoot these off and gain world attention, guess what would happen.
originally posted by: thisguyrighthere
What's the long game here? To get rid of the Palestinians? To get rid of Israel? To get rid of both of them? To have them swap places? To give them both their own nations?
There isnt any resolution that would end hostilities. Somebody is always going to be pissed and they obviously have no qualms about killing to satisfy their anger.
Which means there's no point in concerning ourselves with the conflict. Create a vehicle for those who no longer wish to live in looney town to leave and let the remaining lunatics keep killing each other for another 70 years.