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posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 10:19 AM
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I am not against the police. I firmly believe there are lots more good cops than there are bad ones. But with the recent stories from all over siting police going above and beyond in their aggressiveness, this one strikes me as odd.

A cop pulls a car for speeding. Then the driver of the speeding car tries to jump the officer. Luckily for all involved, he was subdued and nobody had to get shot.

Now the kicker. First off, the cops in this town don't have dash cams installed in their cars. This cop had his own personal cam installed in case he needed it to protect himself. The driver he arrested? A lieutenant in Internal Affairs. So this lieutenant jeopardizes the safety of all involved by being a jerk. It seems the cop did what he should have, but is now relived of duty.

It's an odd story so I thought you all would enjoy it.


miami.cbslocal.com...


MIAMI (CBSMiami) – A Miami police officer has been relieved of duty pending the outcome of investigation where he and another cop clashed during a traffic stop. It was captured on the traffic cop’s personal video camera that he mounted on the dash of his squad car.
The video, obtained by the blog, Crespogram.com, show’s officer Marcel Jackson pulling over an alleged speeder in an unmarked car in June. It appears to be on Southwest 7th Street in Little Havana.
Not fifteen seconds after Ofc. Jackson reaches the driver’s window, the video shows motorist pushing the front door open against the officer and confronting him. The immediately engage in a tussle, going to the ground. Other officers quickly arrive and help their colleague subdue the combative motorist.
What no one knew, at least for a while, is the driver who jumped in the cop’s face was Miami police Lieutenant David Ramras – who was assigned to internal affairs, which investigates other cops.
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posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Sounds to me like the Internal Affairs lieutenant was much higher up than this other officer hence why the officer has been fired and there is no mention of the cop who started the fight losing his job. Sounds pretty standard to me. If cops treat citizens as beneath them I am sure higher ranked cops treat the ones below them the same way.

It is an interesting story. SnF for sharing.


ETA: What kind of crap hole is Florida?? No offence Florida people. But Miami cannot afford to put dash cams in their own police cars? Seriously, the police have to install them on their own accord? That is just flippin' sad....
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posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 10:33 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Cop vs. cop.

Leaves me no one to root for.



Just kidding.

I think cops are just dandy!



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:00 AM
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So the IA cop who investigates the wrong-doings and abuses of other cops was trying to pull the "Do you know who I am?" card during a traffic stop?

Cute.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: network dude

As I said in the other thread:

How come THREE other cop cars were there in a matter of a few seconds??



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: thisguyrighthere

I cannot help but think if guns were drawn, how different this would have ended up.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:27 AM
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The fact that not even an incident report was filed against the Lt. says much about this department.

What's the old saying? "The fish rots from the head..."



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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Creating Dorner V2.0
I'm sure there is a good cop out there.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: thisguyrighthere
So the IA cop who investigates the wrong-doings and abuses of other cops was trying to pull the "Do you know who I am?" card during a traffic stop?

Cute.


Yep, and to continue on that theme, why is a Lieutenant not leading by example..?

Actually, never mind, it was all probably part of their Mentorship Program.




posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:32 AM
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originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2
a reply to: network dude

As I said in the other thread:

How come THREE other cop cars were there in a matter of a few seconds??


I'm thinking they were close to the office... Or a donut shop.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Here is the raw footage from the officers camera without the media voiceover.

** Strong language can be heard**



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:41 AM
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Read this here.



A Miami police officer pulled a car over for speeding last month, which turned out to be a plainclothes internal affairs lieutenant who shoved the door open on the officer after refusing to provide his drivers license, leading to a struggle on the side of the road that was caught on camera.

As the two were on the ground wresting, another three Miami cops who just happened to be in the area pulled up and piled on the screaming driver– only to pull off when they realized the man at the bottom was an internal affairs lieutenant from their own department.

That was when the officer Marcel Jackson, the cop who initiated the stop, was sent to his patrol car and internal affairs Lieutenant David Ramras assumed control of the situation.

Realizing the outranking officer with more than two decades of seniority over him was going to turn him into the aggressor, Jackson pulled out his cell phone and began taking photos of the officers that began arriving.

But then a cop ordered him to stop. And another cop later ordered him to delete the photos.

However, unknowing to the other officers at the time, Jackson had video recorded the entire incident with his GoPro camera, which he had attached to his dash, but shoved in between seat after realizing they were turning against him, keeping it recording to capture the ensuing conversations. The department does not use dash or body cams, so it’s not something they would expect.

Adding to the usual irony of cops investigating cops, the department’s internal affairs department is now investigating the incident involving their own lieutenant, who has since been transferred to the special investigations section, a top-secret unit that works in partnership with state and federal agencies, considered a promotion by officers in the department, even though it is technically a lateral transfer.

The video was leaked to the Crespogram Report, a Miami blog operated by Al Crespo that regularly breaks insider stories that otherwise would not see the light of day, many which are followed by the local media.



photographyisnotacrime.com...



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: grey580

What science fiction book did the above article get its information?



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Looks to me like the arresting cop was looking to get aggressive on the lieutenant. We can't be sure what was said but it looks like lieutenant was opening his door merely to get out and the traffic cop grabs him, drags him out and throws him to the floor.
I think he deserved to be relieved of duty.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: sayzaar
a reply to: Xcathdra

Looks to me like the arresting cop was looking to get aggressive on the lieutenant. We can't be sure what was said but it looks like lieutenant was opening his door merely to get out and the traffic cop grabs him, drags him out and throws him to the floor.
I think he deserved to be relieved of duty.


A badge alone does not establish police authority (IE the detective in the car). The guy tried to get out of the car which is a nono.

The guy refused to get back in the car and continued to struggle.

Given the circumstances I think the patrol officer acted appropriately in this case. The guy in the car should know better than to do what he did.

The Miami Police department has over a thousand commissioned officers. Its not out of the realm of possibility for the officer to not know who the Lt. is.
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posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: lightedhype


ETA: What kind of crap hole is Florida?? No offence Florida people. But Miami cannot afford to put dash cams in their own police cars? Seriously, the police have to install them on their own accord?

That is just flippin' sad....


It's pretty bad here, got to say, the second worst place I've lived.

Course, this kinda sounds like the cop git in trouble with internal affairs and wanted revenge.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: sayzaar

Since when do you get out of the car without the officer asking you to? He reacted the way he would if anyone tried to do so. We always hear that cops need to assume the worst and are right doing so correct? Well that is what I see happening here. The LT knows how a traffic stop works and he is not above that. This is brass covering brass, plain and simple. Probably on of th IA guys that let's cops off for there atrocious acts. Gotta keep those guys around and keep them happy



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: HolgerTheDane2

They are on their way to a raid or sting I bet. All of them had t shirts on with a logo and the first guy that popped out had his cap backwards. Every time I see a sting on cops those undercover guys always have their caps backward.

But the IA getting xfered to that top secret group, see above post by grey580, does kinda add to the strangeness of them being there so promptly



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 12:55 PM
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Internal Affairs wins. Who would have thought that.



posted on Jul, 15 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: network dude

At least they are consistent...

This is actually funny!





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