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originally posted by: OptimusSubprime
a reply to: roth1
He absolutely did claim to be God, more than once, but here is one example from John 8:58....
Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!
If Jesus is not God, then this is terrible grammar. Only Jesus could say that and be telling the truth. To say "I am" is to say that He is the "I am" from Exodus when God told Moses "I am that I am". Jesus is the Great I am... Jesus is God, and he claimed as much more than once.
originally posted by: roth1
Jesus never in the bible said he was god. He always claimed to be the son of god. If the had claimed to be god gov would have killed him much sooner. The Jews would not have had to beg to have him executed. Where did this come from? The church not the bible? Remember the bible says that god said not to worship any before him. Isn't this against the bible? I don't know for sure if this is a conspiracy, but some group propagated this for some intent.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: roth1
Fairly ignorant post. I hear it sometimes, no idea how anyone can post this stuff still. Here are several references.
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
(refer to Exo 3:14)
3. This is where the term Son of Man comes from .. and it's meaning is God.
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,fn coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?”
But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked.
“You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” They all condemned him as worthy of death.
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there, thinking to themselves,
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
I would respond to all the cited verses, but it's ridiculous
Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him.
originally posted by: th3dudeabides
a reply to: roth1
His followers claim it. Jesus always said that he had the way or knew the way to god not that he was god. Christians use that idea to control their followers.
originally posted by: glend
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
Yes it was classed as heretic by Rome that wanted to elevate Paulinity. Many believed that the self labelled roman apostle Paul (who was never a apostle) was himself labeled as a heretic by true apostles of Yeshua (aka Jesus). So anything that is classed as heretic by the heretics should be examined by all that want to try find true Christianity.
2. HE backed it up with His abundant miracles.
3. THE FATHER backed it up with Jesus' Resurrection--witnessed by more than 500 who saw Him in His Resurrection body running around loose for many days thereafter.